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great post mate, such a sad story

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"We are all hurting badly just now, but I am hopeful that something positive can come from this tragedy. Everyone in the town has been stopped in their tracks by this, but it has also pulled us all together.

"While we mourn for these two people, we must remember the role that drugs played in their deaths. People taking drugs often claim they are hurting no one but themselves.


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Absolutely, had one tried to start it up here a couple o years ago till guy across from him found out, he went straight over and gave him his gypsies warning, that got solved quickly! Was very bad here while i was living away but the dealers have moved on thank gawd, though plenty of customers still about

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some olders members of my family told me about when smack first came to what was a little mineing village, one guy brought loads of the stuff in, started giving to friends and friends of friends, as soon as they were hooked he started charging them and the junkie was born, im sure this was a similar situation all over the country many years ago


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That's probably what happened for the mostpart Ross, when i was your age i hadn't even heard of drugs seriously, first i ever saw a junkie was only about 7 yrs ago, it scared the life oot me then, i almost packed up and left here after a month back to get the kids away from it cos they'd never been exposed either, i used to be raging if i was sat anywhere with them and one of these people even looked at us, i was on a bus with the wee ones on a trip back then and a guy came up right in front of us lit up a toke,he was clearly a junkie eyes poppin out his head, i was fuming and i asked him to put it out he said no, i grabbed it out his mouth and threw it out the window, of course realising afterwards he could've done anything or had a weapon or anything it was frightening thinking back on it but he just sat there in shock i think, i'd do the same again no doubt.

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aye they just look like they need a rite good kick in but ppl in that mentality would be the first to pull a blade in my experience, i said in the passed i hate junkies but its the dealers I'm against, many junkies are just product of there environment, cant help feeling sorry in some cases


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many junkies are just product of there environment.......spot on Ross
Great speaking to you Ross, you're views are extremely important for us oldies to hear, good head on your shoulders, well done.
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something i had only ever heard of in Glasgow a few years ago appears to have spilled out all over Scotland, every village, town and corner of every city seems to have there own young team, youths aging between 12 and 21 feeling the need to adopt gang culture to achieve some kind of identity or maybe just the urge to belong to something, I'm all for unity especially when its energy is pointed in a positive direction but from my experience these "youths" are using there numbers to intimidate and push there weight around, I'm no blaming them but i definitely noticed a change of attitude in some of these ppl around the time films like "the football factory" and "green street"
were released, both good films that highlight the violence and comradeship in football hooliganism and in some ways glamorized the gang mentality, a know alot of these guys and girls never leave the house with being tooled up, one story a heard from mate of the local YT from my village that call them selves the YBB( YOUNG BALLINGRY BOYS) arranging a gang fight with the YT from nieghboring town Lochgelly the YLM(YOUNG LOCHGELLY MENTALS) over the website BEBO, this site is monitored by the police and a few computers and mobile phones were taken from the ring leaders, this is gettin crazy


Where im living the young team call themselves the Himshie... it originally a cambulang gang name but made its way to eastkilbride(where im residing currently) back when this scheme was built 30 years ago for the overspill of glasgow.Everyones round here either comes originally fae the gorbals,castlemilk,shettleston,somewhere in glasgow...my mums side are all shettleston/tollcross based and my dads side all Maryhill based.

I think the young team thing aint new,well i guess it is ouside of glasgow but sine i was a boy we even ran around shouting 'himshie' as our war cry,lol,but i'll tell ye what,when i was a teen we had RESPECT for the older ones,these days i see all the 'young teams' beating on innocent guys a bustops with their girlfriends and shit for no reason,thats not right,when we were young we only fought with other gangs from other schemes but never just attacked innocent 'civilians'.

Couple of guys got on an 18 bus at cathkin as my dad heaed home from his work inglasgow and they tried to jump him just cos he asked them to put their joints out just cos a girl was sitting with her baby crying in front of them...

Glad to tell you all my 62 year old dad easily fought them off and they got papped aff the bus half way up the braes,lol.But imagine attacking a 62year old guy,even though he looks younger and is strong for his age,etc...as teens we would NEVER have pulled a stroke like that,we always respected older ppl whether it was the guys a few years oldr right up to OAP's,these days it seems ANYONE is fair game when it comes to being the subject of mindless attacks by 'young teams'. They know better than to get 'wide' with apprentice though,lol,nah i know a ot of them cos my dad started a youth club up here for them all cos they had nothing to do so they all say hi to me...AFTER THEY SAY HI TO MY DA,LOL! I guess their no aw bad eh?Cheers


edit: a GREAT book iv got about the history of Glasgows gangs going way way back to the 20's,etc is called 'Tongs ya bas!' by an R.C.McCallum,its well researched and has some great stories in it about these gangs,great read!


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cheers, I'm really enjoying talking to everybody, having some relatives who have went down the wrong path drug wise and also visiting some of these relatives in prison and hearing the ins and outs of the goings on has giving me a bit more understanding in this type of thing, probably when i made a decision a few years ago, when i felt my self going that way, i had to get a grip on life, i think having a point of view on something isn't just giving your opinions its also about asking good questions


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This is a UK wide problem with a variety of proposals but no real solutions. I hope this is something you perhaps want to look at up there?
 
Drugs Scene: South London Prevention Project Evaluation

“Drugs Scene” was a project developed by 5 London boroughs to increase the quality of drugs education in their area and to help co-ordinate school-based drugs education and parental intervention. A theatre-in-education company trained teachers and youth workers in drugs education skills. They also gave performances to parents in the participating areas on the steps the schools were taking and how they could assist in drugs prevention. The Drugs Prevention Advisory Service (DPAS) have published an evaluation of the project and its effect on drugs education in the area.

The "Drugs Scene" project ran from 1995 to 1998 and was managed by a partnership of education authorities, the youth service, health promotion and voluntary agencies. The project included:

  • 5-day training sessions, and associated training packs, for teachers and youth workers

  • sessions for parents held at participating primary schools

  • 6000 handbooks for parents and 2000 handbooks for youth workers

  • 2 Drugs Scene events including exhibitions of art work by children based on drugs-related issues.

The feedback from the teachers and youth workers at the training events and from the parents at the theatre events was excellent. The effect of the program was found to be greatest on those schools where limited progress had been made in drugs education, but the program had little impact on those schools where drugs education was either well-advanced or in those schools that had no drugs education policy.

To find out more, download DPAS Briefing Paper 7: "Drugs Scene: an evaluation of a drugs prevention project in South London"


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Thanks for the link bill mate

This is a UK wide problem with a variety of proposals but no real solutions. I hope this is something you perhaps want to look at up there?
 
Drugs Scene: South London Prevention Project Evaluation

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cheers for all the info hammer6, there should be more places like this where ppl can come for advice and friendly chat without being hounded over there views and oppinions

i totally agree because no one wants to hear the truth anymore that's why i joined up to have a say but had no idea that there is so much info here its amazing also more places like this would help people to form a view based on what they believe and not what we are being informed through the media I want to help myself and others around me to keep away from drugs so thanks for the chance


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its not just drugs that's the probs anymore its a combo with drink too (Buckie and the likes) my nephew is on smack so are some of his mates the rest take drink n drugs at the same time for a buzz they always say there is nothing else to do and there is a really wee boy (about 12) who has to stay out the house when his mams boyfriend comes up he hates him as its not his da and gets told off a lot so he joined the troops as they call them i seen him today walking about then went into a known dealers house when he should be at school i don't want to grass him up but he is far too young for this and his life will be a vicious circle just like my nephew that was caught stealin from his grans purse to buy smack the feds got involved and made matters worse as they don't have a scooby what to do or even help they just arrest and arrest them even social workers don't care (some do) but if drug addicts and drinkers don't tell them the truth rather than what they want to hear then what can be done? any views are appreciated in advance thankx.


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Hard one there Tango mate......I hope that you can work on something. Here is a previous post helpline provided by our moderator H6:

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What my 13-year-old son looked like after he binged on a bottle of vodka.

 

He lies in hospital with an oxygen mask strapped to his face, hovering between life and death.

Jack Strom, who is just 13, is barely breathing after drinking a litre bottle of vodka in a park in the latest shocking example of Britain's growing binge-drinking epidemic among the young.

Doctors fighting to save him from alcohol poisoning and hypothermia know he will die if his body temperature drops another degree.

Jack Strom in hospital: He was minutes from death when found.

Jack's mother, Sue, took the picture as she prayed by his bed for his recovery.

Yesterday, after her prayers were answered, she decided to release the image as a terrible warning to other youngsters and their parents.

Miss Strom, a 36-year-old bank worker, said: "His face was yellow when I first arrived at hospital.

"His eyes were the worst thing - when he roused and opened them they were bloodshot and huge.

"He just couldn't focus. It was shocking and I've been a wreck ever since.

"I just cried and went into automatic pilot. Even now I can't sleep at night - I keep going into his room and checking on him. I keep thinking about the 'what ifs'."

It is not known how Jack managed to obtain the vodka, but it is believed he was with a group of older friends who bought it on his behalf.

The group got through two litre bottles of vodka between them, with Jack drinking most of a bottle on his own.

This was more than his seven-and-a-half stone, 5ft7in frame could take and he passed out in the park close to his home in Southwick, Brighton last week.

His temperature plummeted and coats were put over him until help arrived. But ambulance staff confirmed that he was 30 minutes from death when they arrived.

Jack has been shaken by his ordeal after several days in hospital, and has promised his family never to drink to excess again.

Miss Strom said: "Jack is a good son and doing well at school but I had no idea he and his friends drank spirits. But parents can't have eyes in the backs of our heads or handcuff children to their homes."

Jack's 14-year-old sister, Sophie, said: "I was so scared and angry. I'm the oldest and should have made a mistake with drink first so Jack would have learned the lesson."

Sussex police issued a warning to all teenagers and confirmed they were trying to trace and prosecute the person who purchased the drink.

They have been cracking down on underage drinking and last week a local Tesco Express store was banned from selling any alcohol for a month after being caught selling to 15 and 16 year olds.

Chief Inspector Sharon Rowe said: "This was a dreadful incident and a real wakeup call to all parents and children about the dangers. Alcohol is a poison and can and will kill."

Miss Strom's decision to publicise her son's binge-drinking is not the first time a parent has taken such action.

Last year, Arthur Claye released a picture he took on his mobile phone of his daughter Elizabeth collapsed in hospital-in a last-ditch attempt to stop her binge drinking.

Elizabeth, 26, had gone to Newcastle University in 2005 in the hope of becoming a teacher. But she spent her student loan on drink, regularly downing a bottle of vodka a day.

Figures show Britain is among the worst in Europe for teen drunkenness and alcohol abuse.

The unenviable record means some girls and boys in their late teens are being treated for cirrhosis, which normally affects adults who are decades older.

The number of under-18s seeking treatment for alcoholrelated illnesses has soared since Labour introduced 24-hour drinking.

In 2005-6, an average of two dozen were treated in hospital every day.

The rise means that since Labour came to power in 1997 the number of children and teenagers receiving treatment has increased by a third.


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its not just drugs that's the probs anymore its a combo with drink too (Buckie and the likes) my nephew is on smack so are some of his mates the rest take drink n drugs at the same time for a buzz they always say there is nothing else to do and there is a really wee boy (about 12) who has to stay out the house when his mams boyfriend comes up he hates him as its not his da and gets told off a lot so he joined the troops as they call them i seen him today walking about then went into a known dealers house when he should be at school i don't want to grass him up but he is far too young for this and his life will be a vicious circle just like my nephew that was caught stealin from his grans purse to buy smack the feds got involved and made matters worse as they don't have a scooby what to do or even help they just arrest and arrest them even social workers don't care (some do) but if drug addicts and drinkers don't tell them the truth rather than what they want to hear then what can be done? any views are appreciated in advance thankx.

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