Totally agree with you on this one..... so where exactly did the figures come from?
Another recent topic for discussion was the shooting of an alleged terrorist suspect for the SECOND time RIGHT or WRONG?
3 June 2006
TERROR SUSPECT SHOT IN RAID BY 250 OFFICERS
Protests at heavy-handed cop swoop...
A MAN was shot yesterday as 250 cops, some wearing biochemical protection suits, staged a massive anti-terrorist raid.
The 23-year-old, who was shot once in the shoulder, was later arrested in hospital on suspicion of terrorist offences.
A 20-year-old man, believed to be his brother, was also arrested in the raid on a house in Forest Gate, east London.
Locals claimed the older man had been shot in front of his mother.
Police forced their way into the house, said to be home to an extended Muslim family, by breaking a ground-floor window.
It is believed to have been under surveillance for several weeks.
A decision to launch the raid followed discussions between MI5, the anti-terrorist branch and bio-chemical experts from the Health Protection Agency.
It followed intelligence about a suspected plot against targets in the UK rather than abroad.
But detectives do not believe there were any links to the July 7 bombings in London.
Police vans moved into the street silently under cover of darkness so that, if there were explosives in the house, there would be no time to detonate them.
A group of around 20 Asian men gathered during the day at the Royal London Hospital, where the suspect was being treated, to protest at what they believed was excessive force.
One man said he had grown up with the man who was shot.
He said: "We want to know what's happening. What happened was unnecessary. He is just a young kid fixing his life up. He is a straightforward guy. He has been working for the Royal Mail."
Another of the protesters said: "Going into someone's house and shooting them in front of their mum, that's not right is it?
"Just because they have got a beard doesn't mean to say you can shoot them."
The Independent Polic Complaints Commission immediately launched an investigation into the shooting, which will be overseen by Deborah Glass, the IPCC Commissioner for London and the South East.
It was unclear whether any other shots were fired during the raid.
Following the raid early yesterday morning, neighbours described seeing a man wearing a bloodstained T-shirt being carried out.
One neighbour said the family who lived there consisted of a man and a woman, their two sons and two daughters.
She added: "They were respectable and nice people and we do not know anything else. They have always been nice to us."
Another neighbour said the operation involved "the most police I've seen in my life".
Salim Mala, 42, who runs a shop near the scene, said the area was a "mixed community" with a large number of Bengali and Pakistani families who have lived there for some time and a recent influx of people from eastern Europe.
Explosives officers and firearms officers remained at the scene last night along with firefighters but the HPA said the risk to the public was low.
Police said the search of the property could take several days. Workmen were erecting a two-storey high scaffolding screen to cover the entire house.
The Prime Minister was told of the raid before it happened in Italy, where he was meeting new premier Romano Prodi after a six-day break in Tuscany.
Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke, head of the Metropolitan Police anti-terrorist branch, said the raid was in response to "very specific" intelligence.
He said: "Because of the very specific nature of the intelligence, we planned an operation that was designed to mitigate any threat to the public either from firearms or from hazardous substances.
"Some officers were armed and others equipped with protective clothing."
He said the intelligence "demanded an intensive investigation and response" and there will now be a "painstaking" search of the house which could last several days.
Security was stepped up at the hospital with armed officers standing guard at all the entrances.
Oh deary me did they find anything yet? If they did it would be all over the news! or am I just being sceptical?.....Remember the WMD in Iraq...No? Well they never found F**K all there and so many young soldiers lost their lives for what?
Now we have the HPA units with the police raiding a house then shot a young man to PROVE or DISPROVE the Intelligence of the Intelligence service.
They had better have got something or else they will become a laughing stock and alienate ALL Muslims from us all and we do not need nor want this nor do we want suicide bombers on our streets.
So let us ALL hope MI5/6 the Police and government got this one right! only time will tell.
The huge raid was mounted at 4am at a terraced house in Forest Gate, east London.
Police and MI5 had been watching the address for weeks. They moved in after "specific and detailed intelligence" that a terror attack could be imminent.
Armed cops from Scotland Yard's CO19 firearms squad smashed their way into the house, going in through the front and back at the same time.
The officers were faced by two men standing at the top of the stairs.
They shouted a warning, but one of the men allegedly continued to move. He was shot once by a marksman using a Glock 17 semi-automatic pistol.
The man was reportedly hit in the shoulder. Friends claimed his mother witnessed the shooting.
The suspect was taken to hospital for surgery but his life was not thought to be in danger. He was arrested in hospital under the Terrorism Act, and armed officers stood guard around his bed.
The man shot was named as Abdul Koyar Kalam, a 23-year-old Royal Mail sorting office worker.
His brother, Tesco shelf-stacker Abdul Kahar Kalam, 20, was also arrested. He was marched out of the house in his underwear and taken to top-security Paddington Green police station, where he was held on suspicion of the commission, preparation and instigation of terrorist acts.
Two other people in the house at the time of the raid were taken to hospital and treated for shock. They were not arrested.
After the people in the house were removed, officers in protective suits moved in to search the house.A source said: "We'll take it apart brick by brick if necessary."
Sources said the men were looking for a poison gas bomb.
The raid came after MI5 told police of "credible intelligence" that a device loaded with gas and packed around an explosive core was to be detonated within weeks.
A Scotland Yard source said: "The information passed to us by the security services was that the attack would involve an explosion propelling poison gas into the air. "
"With the World Cup coming up, the target could be a bar crowded with football fans. But there are many, many other possible targets.
"We don't know if this attack was going to be a suicide operation or a device detonated by remote control. But we are 100 per cent certain that an attack is being planned and if we did not stop it, it could take place very soon."
Experts from the Government's chemical warfare research centre at Porton Down in Wiltshire joined in the search of the house.
A DESPERATE search is under way for a “chemical vest” that a British suicide bomber was ready to deploy in a terror attack on London.
Police fear that the strike, using a home-made chemical device, was imminent after an informant told MI5 that he had seen the lethal garment at the home of two young men.
Last night detectives were at the hospital bedside of a 23-year-old postal worker shot during a pre-dawn raid on his parents’ home, while his younger brother, aged 20, was being questioned at Paddington Green high security police station.
Armed officers who led the assault on the terraced house in Forest Gate, East London, wore oxygen masks and protective chemical gear after a tip-off from MI5 that the device had already been assembled.
Security chiefs are deeply concerned that there was no sign of the vest inside what they believe is a chemical bomb factory.
No weapons were found either as officers searched the two adjoining properties that have been converted to accommodate a large Bangladeshi family.
Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke, head of Scotland Yard’s Anti-Terrorist Branch, said that the raid, codenamed Operation Volga, was ordered in response to “specific intelligence”.
He said that there had been no time to conduct further surveillance, which suggests that the police believed a terrorist was close to launching an attack. The fear is that if chemicals were to be used then a likely target could be a train compartment on the London Underground.
Another theory is that a suicide attacker, wearing the vest under a shirt, could trigger the device in a crowded venue, such as a pub full of people watching an England World Cup match.
Nervous informant who gave details of new terrorist device
THE informant told MI5 that they did not have much time to stop another lethal terrorist attack on London.
The details he passed on were so precise and so terrifying that intelligence agents had to drop some of their other investigations to concentrate on what was supposedly happening behind the net curtains of a neat terraced house in an East London suburb.
The belief was that the authorities had only days to act. Surveillance had to be hastily organised, the police and other agencies had to be told, along with ministers, that this time the terrorists were expected to use chemicals and not explosives to murder their victims.
The nervous informant claimed to have seen the chemical vest that the terrorist would use, and while he didn’t understand how the device would work, he did pass on a description and the address where he saw it. The man also offered a list of names.