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Gateside(GREENOCK) YOI 1988-One of the guys working on the hotplate  in B hall had been given a parcel of Jimmy's(temgesics), to deliver to a guy in A hall. He delivered the parcel but seemingly there were 2 missing, all hell broke loose, instead of the recipients of the Jimmys not being sure who had taxed the parcel they just blamed the guy who delivered them. He was then asked into a cell a few hours afterwards, and was plunged umpteem times with the biggest knife (knicked 1 hour earlier) from the jails kitchen.After being stabbed the guy walked backwards out of the cell, spitting on the guy that done it, he then fell onto the stairs bleeding like fuck onto the guys who were directly below the stairs , standing in the dinner queue. One guy ran at him with a white standard issue towel, within seconds it was as red as the blood that was pishing out of him. So the intire nick is on lockdown, cops are in, questioning every Y.O. IN A.hall ,concerning the murder that had taken place. A fortnight goes by and by then everything gets back to normal, then the shit hits the fan, we're all told Greenock is no longer to be a YO's , its being turned into a remand for the renfrewshire boys and changing back to a cons (over 21's nick).Just about then I got caught with 10 50 pences that had been taxed from the sex pests and grasses, I got them as a square up(this is when all the guys from your area chip in and give you some money to get you on your feet when you first arrive in the nick), so I was in the place a month and already had 14 days in the digger for taxing sex cases and 14 days added onto ma sentence. So the day came when we were all getting told when we were being draughted out of Gateside too.Some of us went to Castle Huntley in Dundee, some of us went to Polemont in Falkirk and the guys doing over 7 years or if they were security risks, went to Jessiefield in Dumfries. I ended up in Polemont as I was only doing 3 years. I had been in it before and knew it was a fucking hell hole, far from the relaxed regeime we had had in Gateside.Worse than that they tried to have the sexpests in normal circulation, red rag to bulls or what.

 

So we were all in the textile shop the first day they attempt this stupid manouver, the whisper goes round that the sex pests are getting it, and I do happen to remember getting one particular scissor kick right into one of the beasties noses, caught, bang to rights with blood all over my shoe.

So we all gets taken back to our cells and locked, up, the next day we all gets taken down the orderly room which in polemont was down the digger(solitary). On the way in, there was this screw who was asking us all our name and number, only being in the place 3 days, for the life of me , I couldn't remember my bloody number, so my turn comes, "name and number" says the screw at the door, "ma names McGuinness, I canny remember ma number" I replied, this cunt of a screw only goes and back handers me right across the kisser, " thats not fucking good enough, and call me sir" this slimey mothers cunt is shouting at me, well, not having the best temper on the planet, I only sets about him, next thing I know there must be 10 of them on me, lifting me right up off the ground with my arms up my back and smacking fuck out the side of my kneecaps with there fuck off big sticks.

They then proceeded to take me into a cell and sit on me(fat pie munching bastards), and then cut my clothes of with scissors.

I was then left naked in a this cell, with nothing else in it but a wee cardboard pot, to do a piss in. I couldnt even  move to do a piss I was so sore.

This cell,(the silent cell) it was pure white, with a spyhole like you get in the door of most normal cells, in every single wall as well as the door, I felt like a proper fuckin celebrity, was all set to do autographs at the door the next day,when, all of a sudden, about 10 screws burst in , and sat on me again, trussed me up like a chicken, and moved me into a room with no windows and a plate steel door, (the strong cell). This fucker had no lights, felt like i was going mad just sitting in the dark for 2 days, eventually I went up in front of the governor........ 7 days all round!!!!!!!(7 days digger and 7 days onto my sentence and 7 days with no wages)I was eventually barred from Polemont and sent to Dumfries Y.O.'s, for supposedly assaulting 9 screws(pish).Then onto Glenochil, the day after I turned 21, as i went on hungerstrike to get moved, just to break up my sentence.Remember getting chiken legs lowered down to me by a line.HEE!HEE! I got stabbed for turning the telly over up in Glenochil ,for turning the fuckin telly over, was my supposed to be mate that stabbed me, and ironically, it wiz me that nicked the scissors when the screws back was turned.Was planning doing the guy that stabbed me, when, my old man died of a missive heart attack(2 weeks of my remission to go)As I was an only child I decided to go straight, to look after my old mum, and apart from the occasional 5/ or 6 months here and there for driving or fighting full of the drink, I have done it, in fact this is the longest I've ever been out, 4 years (since I got married), I'm proud of myself.

 

 

 When I think about what they done, and to be totally honest, I am not a person who thinks about revenge or malice on a lot. I think about how I can get my own back, I think about getting to 80 years old, or getting terminal cancer and going up there and just letting loose with a machine gun when the polemont screws change shift.Its just a matter of time before one of the guys they have beat up goes full blown with the virus and does what I think about.I know, 20 years later the screws in polmont are still handing out thrashings, I am not a particularly spitefull or revengefull person, and having these thoughts gets to me.DO I NEED THERAPY???????????PLEASE HELP 

 

   

 

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Good Morning, MCGUINNESS. I don't suppose the ASSAULTS by STAFF are reported in the HM INSPECTORATE Report, eh?

 

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/17002/0025015.pdf

 

And they hold children there aswell.

 

 

HM INSPECTORATE OF PRISONS: Report on HM Young Offenders Institution Polmont

11. RECOMMENDATIONS

For Ministers

11.1 Children under the age of 16 should not be held in a prison (paragraph 8.45).

BBC NEWS Friday, 1 July, 2005

 

'Concern' over child jail numbers
Polmont young offenders' institute
Children are still being detained at Polmont, the report says
Scotland's chief inspector of prisons has expressed concern at the number of children who have been in jail in the past 12 months.

Children were being held in a young offenders' institution more than a year after inspectors advised against it.

The Polmont Young Offenders' Institute near Falkirk is designed to hold 16 to 21-year-olds, but 11 children have been held there in the past year.

Dr Andrew McLellan's report said the practice breaches UN guidelines.

Four of the 11 children held at Polmont were deemed as "too difficult" to be contained at secure units, the report said.

The Scottish Executive has said it is providing more secure accommodation places for children.

'Last resort'

But charities said too many were being taken by youngsters who could be looked after by intensive fostering in the community.

It is understood one child, who was held for 130 days, was ordered to Polmont by a sheriff concerned that his behaviour was a danger to himself and others.

The study, carried out in March this year, suggests that the prison is breaching children's rights as defined by the UN, which states that they should be imprisoned as "a last resort".

"Children under the age of 16 are still being held in Polmont," the report said.

Dr Andrew McLellan
Dr Andrew McLellan: Concerned at the number of children behind bars

"The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child states that 'In all actions concerning children... the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration'."

The report also said the convention states that imprisonment of a child 'shall be used only as a measure of last resort and for the shortest appropriate period of time'.

Dr McLellan's report also criticised the fact that "slopping out" remains a problem to be overcome at Polmont, despite improvements having been made to the arrangements.

It said: "Slopping out is always bad - no amount of improvement can make it good.

'Very upsetting'

"It is particularly bad that it happens in a hall which holds prisoners on remand.

"A good feature of most Scottish prisons is that prisoners who have not been convicted usually live in good conditions.

"It is very upsetting that the only remand prisoners who are regularly slopping out are under 21 years of age."

Nevis Hall, last year described as "tense and oppressive", was found to have a relaxed atmosphere and is now the focus of a drugs addiction programme.

The report went on: "The very bad conditions in Nevis Hall identified in last year's report have been addressed."

Scottish National Party justice spokesman, Stewart Stevenson, said: "It is totally unacceptable that children under the age of 16 are being held at the Polmont Young Offenders Institute.

"The best interests of these children must be the executive's primary consideration, and action must be taken immediately to stop children being locked up."

 

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Magpie,Incidents like this seem to go unrecorded in the system.The fact under 16's are in there is even more worrying,I know guys who have had broken bones, been knocked unconcious etc in Polemont , its the screws who are breeding the violence, incouraging it in vulnerable kids who are most of the time from impoverished, abusive , backgrounds already,nearly every single kid i met in the Y.O.s had came from some sort of disturbed background, whether it be adoption, fostering, broken marriages or there folks abusing them sexually or physically, the system needs to invest in looking at each case seperatly and get them all into education of some kind to give them some sort of future once they get out, instead of having them stipping scrap and making garden sheds,  Barrlinnie used to get a really bad rep for bad screws too, dont know what its like now though.

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.....the system needs to invest in looking at each case seperatly and get them all into education of some kind to give them some sort of future once they get out,.....

 

Education is the only way, MCGUINNESS, and education of the 'SYSTEM' aswell. To know the protocols, code of conducts etc.. when dealing with the various strands of the system. Those figures in authority don't like it when someone challenges the system or their authority. And most important of all is to have EVIDENCE, because without it, its difficult to get anywhere. Any complaints/reports of wrongdoing or corruption will invariably be met with refute. 

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Gateside(GREENOCK) As I was an only child I decided to go straight, to look after my old mum, and apart from the occasional 5/ or 6 months here and there for driving or fighting full of the drink, I have done it, in fact this is the longest I've ever been out, 4 years (since I got married), I'm proud of myself.

 

 

 When I think about what they done, and to be totally honest, I am not a person who thinks about revenge or malice on a lot. I think about how I can get my own back, I think about getting to 80 years old, or getting terminal cancer and going up there and just letting loose with a machine gun when the polemont screws change shift.Its just a matter of time before one of the guys they have beat up goes full blown with the virus and does what I think about.I know, 20 years later the screws in polmont are still handing out thrashings, I am not a particularly spitefull or revengefull person, and having these thoughts gets to me.DO I NEED THERAPY???????????PLEASE HELP 

 

   

 

Four years and no jail time.......Great stuff McGuiness!! Your father would have been well proud of that, married too? A settled child is what any decent parent wishes for. Every parent wants their child to grow up and settle down to married life, despite the systems worst attempts to beat you down, you came through McGuiness. You have succeeded in fulfilling your parents wishes, It is right that you are proud.

 

The screw did their best to try and fuck you up, that's what they enjoy...fucking guys like us up. The best way you can get your own back on those people is to show that their sub-human animistic attempts to torture and beat you down didn't succeed. Thatyouhaven't buckled or bowed to their intimidation and provocation. Despite their worst efforts you have turned your life around and are leading a normal life with your partner.

 

Your final satisfaction against these animals will not be to meet them at 80 years of age and machine gun them down as they swap shifts McGuiness. it will be when you walk up to those same prison gates at 80 years of age with you sons, and their sons who have all led a good productive life in the community and you can point to your family and say to the scum as they leave.....Here are my children despite your worst efforts i stayed on the straight and narrow and none of these boys have seen behind those large grey walls......and you know what? Each one is a better more productive human being than you or yours can ever hope to be

 

That should be your aim McGuiness and your final retribution..... You don't need therapy my man..... those guys with the keys and the ones who need the therapy.....Your worth ten of any one of them.

 

Keep strong McG

 

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Bilko, thankyou very much for those words of encouragment, I had a big massive lump in my throat reading your words of wisdom, you have no idea how powerfull they have been to myself and my family

                                                a  changed man, eternally gratefull,

                                                                          Giny

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Bilko, thankyou very much for those words of encouragment, I had a big massive lump in my throat reading your words of wisdom, you have no idea how powerfull they have been to myself and my family

                                                a  changed man, eternally gratefull,

                                                                          Giny

Giny, you don't know how good YOUR post made me feel. It brought back some memories and feelings  i had in my younger days....When i got to the end of your post and read you had 4 years free on the streets i almost shouted "Good on ye!!" out loud. 50 years old here, a former would be gangster and habitual criminal who made a decision a long time ago that i was worth more than a lifetime in and out of jails or more likely an early death. I turned it around and now have a 27 year old son who i am proud to say has never seen the inside of a court, never mind a prison cell, he has a two year old son, by the time he reaches 21 i most likely will be dead and buried.....but my grandson will god willing have had a better start in life tha i ever did or my son had in his early years.....Maybe university ...fuck, who knows. My father and his father were career criminals so to were their brothers.....I made the first steps to even attempt to brake the mould....my son has......I'm proud that my decision all these years ago started that change. I used the thoughts of hate i had toward the prison system to keep me on the straight and narrow.....because every day i spent outside was a spit in the eye for those bastards that told me i was nothing but shite....I proved them wrong... You will to Giny, Take care ma man.

 

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Fck me Bilko, you dont half get me emmotional, I know exactly what you mean mate, my dad and his were total "canny get a job coz of form" we had it hard mate , but I ended up taking chances that ended up in resullts, just to pay  for ma education.Ended up marying a wee lassie fae Zambia that had blagged it even more than me, its her and the like of yersell that have taught me "the power of positve thinkin".luv ya............GINY

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I came across this CLOWN  McLELLAND at a sermon he done at Heriot Watt University"   This guy McLelland, that the home office have put in charge of the prison service, turns out he's a muppet soldier, he faught all over the planet, and was one of the soldiers that found  bodies(dead) after a robbbery in the UK  in a Land Rover. I mean, come off it, some silly fucker, that has sighned his name up to blow people away got a little squeemish about finding 2 corpses????????? AYE RIGHT YE ARE!!!! "pure milking it to the public" He lso said he had been in every prison in Scotland and never met a frightening character, fuck me, ive only been in Glenochil and Bar-l and, believe me, I ve met or been in with, guys who have totally lost it and need the key thrown away, could give at least 20 examples, anybody that has done an LTP sentence could(ask wee P.F.) .And this McClelland is trying to say he has only came across only 1 prisoner who was truelly evil, he has no fuckin ideas, I used to sit beside guys who got murder monthly(true detective) sent into the nick, who got out and reo offended, fuck me I wonder why?????????? How did McClelland come to the conclusions that lead to him making these public ststements????????????????
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Bilko, thank you very much for those words of encouragment, I had a big massive lump in my throat reading your words of wisdom, you have no idea how powerfull they have been to myself and my family

                                                a  changed man, eternally gratefull,

                                                                          Giny

Hi Bilko, MCGUINNESS and Magpie,

 

It was a great pleasure to read such strong vibrant posts that stop and make people think.

 

It also humbles people like me who know actually that you are all right in every department.

 

Magpie education is part on the solution (an integral part) but sometimes people are too far down the line to appreciate the education as they have already rebelled against a system THEY know is flawed.

 

Great posts and great reading.


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You lot had me in tears there, brilliant posts 

having been messed about with courts such as wrongfully imprisoned, having it quashed then getting 3month for a driving conviction (no insurance) the sheriff decided to make an example of me his words not mine, then finding out the miscarriage of justice was still on my record after 17yr thus the reason i couldnt get a job and the reason i couldnt afford my car insurance, i thought na your not on having to leave my 2 kids for them which had a terrible effect on them, i decided to go to college doing social sciences which included POLITICS!! Now i wouldnt give them the satisfaction I am due to start University next month at 37yrs old (ahhhhhhh) education is the key I hope to fight for justice from the inside.  

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The REAL fight for JUSTICE is to have those in power who have the courage to change the things they know are wrong.

 

The decency to admit they will and the honesty to face up to what we have as a JUDICIARY at present!

 

It is corrupt beyond the public perception of what is being portrayed to them on a daily basis by the media.

 

Indeed the changes must come within but with plenty of pressure from people just like ourselves.

 

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Great post JKANE6364! University at 37 years of age.....Just goes to show never to late to progress in life.......Good luck to you Bilko knows you will grasp the opportunity , work hard... and fight from within!! Bilko


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CHEERS BILKO I certainly will fight for change.As for university at 37 im petrified but i would tell anyone to go for it i left school with nothing and it took me 2 years at college to get to this and beleive me if i can do it anyone can!!

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Go get them J KANE and the very best of luck


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