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There are a variety of other names for prisons, such as a prison-house, penitentiary, or jail (in British English and Australian English, the spelling gaol is sometimes used in formal contexts, although this spelling is pronounced in the same fashion). There are, also, many colloquial terms for prisons — such as big house, beantown, stir, The Yard, can, clink, joint, jug, cooler, hoosegow, lockup, graybar hotel, concrete Hilton, lockdown, nick, pokey, slammer, up the river — and a similar range of terms for imprisonment, including doing time, bird, doing a bid porridge, working for Copper John, etc.


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25 October 2006
BEHIND THE CRIME SCENES

SCOTLAND has been rocked by a series of horrendous murders ...there have been more than 50 since January in Strathclyde alone.

Only one thing can ever ease the pain for families who have lost loved ones in violent deaths and that is to catch the killer.

That process starts with forensic scientists examining the crime scene.

Next month former scenes of crime officer Allan Scott will address the conference of the Forensic Institute in Glasgow on how a crime scene is managed.

And it is nothing like TV's CSI.

Allan was head of Merseyside Police's crime scene investigation and is now a lecturer in forensic and investigative science at the University of Central Lancashire. Here he outlines the anatomy of a crime scene.

THE Eighties saw great changes in the way investigations were undertaken.

There were a few but significantly high-profile cases where forensic evidence was called into question and the conviction was deemed on appeal to have been unsafe.

Crime scenes used to be run by the senior investigating officer, or SIO, and were often managed remotely. No one was in actual charge at the scene.

Staff, including crime scene investigators, photographers, forensic scientists, fingerprint experts, etc, worked independently and little regard was paid to the impact one person's work might have on that of another.

Disputes often arose with, for instance, one expert wishing to apply fingerprint powder to a door while another wanted to swab bloodstains.

Would the fingerprint powder contaminate the bloodstain?

Would swabbing remove any latent fingerprints?

No one was there to referee the process and ensure maximum evidence recovery. There were also instances of officers attending a scene for many concocted reasons that in reality were nothing more than curiosity or the wish to say they had been at the scene and seen the body.

In short, there was a need for crime scene management.

Now the crime scene manager (CSM) has a crucial role in ensuring all possible forensic evidence is correctly identified, protected and recovered.

Scene protection and preservation. When officers first arrive to secure a scene, they should "think big". It is easier to reduce a cordon than expand it. They should also establish a common approach path.

Over-suits are worn. Unlike their television counterparts, CSIs do not walk about in designer clothing. A scene entry log should be set up with details of everyone who enters and leaves the scene.

A crime scene management log should be compiled so that everything can be justified in court later.

A common saying in the police is "the witness box is the loneliest place in the world".

Forensic science is based on Locard's principle of interchange or transference.

It refers to the fact that when a person commits a crime they leave something at the scene that wasn't there before, and carry away something that was not on them before.

So it is crucial that all steps are taken to avoid contamination or cross contamination of scenes. Only necessary personnel must be at a scene. Then it is important to find out -

Who is the deceased?

Without this being established, it is almost impossible to start an investigation. One of the maxims of murder investigation is "find out how a person lived and you can find out how they died".

How did death occur?

This will be established by the pathologist and toxicology after a post mortem. The body at the mortuary is also a crime scene and has to be treated as such.

When did death occur?

This can be established by the pathologist. Other methods might be phone and other utility records and unopened mail.

If the remains are skeletal, it has to be established if the person died more than a century prior to discovery. If the post mortem interval is over 100 years, most coroners will have no interest in establishing how they died, as any offender will probably be dead.

Who was the offender?

The offender may have left their fingerprints or DNA at the scene. There may be other physical or trace evidence at the scene such as footwear, tyre tracks, fibres, paint or even discarded clothing and documentary evidence.

Separately these evidence types may not bevery useful, but when used together they can help build a picture of the offender, their movements and methods.

What actually happened?

Shock, confusion or even lies when recounting events make eyewitness evidence unreliable. Forensic science can establish the sequence of events.

This could be the interpretation of bloodstains or gunshot residue to establish the positions of those involved.

It can also help test scenarios and validate accounts of the event given by suspects.

Can a suspect be eliminated?

Circumstances can provide numerous suspects or just one. The need to include or exclude suspects in an investigation is vital.

Is the crime linked to others?

If the offence is linked, it can provide other additional evidence and information that can assist in catching the offender.

Search for evidence

This must be carried out in sequence to maximise results. Usually it is recovering physical evidence such as a weapon, followed by the recovery of DNA-viable material and finally fingerprints.

The second phase can be a grid search, line search or a fingertip search of an outside scene or a quadrant search of an indoor scene. These would be carried out by trained personnel under the command of a highly-trained police supervisor.

The search teams are accompanied by a CSI who will photograph any potential evidence in situ prior to recovery.

Conducting an immediate search

The CSM should consider the value of an immediate or "flash search" of the surrounding area. This may identify and locate physical evidence that could lead to the early arrest of a suspect or gather vital information that could speed up inquiries.

For example, armed robbers are often meticulous planners, but once the raid has taken place caution may be thrown to the wind. In a rush to escape, clothing, balaclavas and even weapons are abandoned. Their vehicle may be found and preserved for examination.

Final inventory

Once the examination and search are complete, it is prudent to make an inventory of all items that have not been removed for examination.

This eliminates any claims of impropriety by personnel at the scene.

Generally forensic evidence is intended to prove or disprove a suspect's involvement, but it is sometimes necessary to carry out additional processes in order to refute possible lines of defence.

''A maxim of murder investigation is -- find out how a person lived and you can find out how they died''


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INTERESTING STUFF ADMIN 2, ALL THAT STUFF WOULD HAVE BEEN USEFULL YEARS AGO WHEN CRIMES WERE MORE SPUR OF THE MOMENT AND NOT SO PREMEDITATED LIKE THEY ARE THESE DAYS, IT USED TO BE IF YOU HAD A GRIEF WITH SOMEONE YOU CONFONTED THEM, HAD A PUNCH UP AND IF YOU WAS GETTING BEAT YOU PICKED UP THE NEAREST THING AND WHACKED THEM OVERR THE HEED OR WHATEVER. THESE DAYS BECAUSE OF ALL THE CAMERAS AND FORENSICS, SOCIETY ARE STARTING TO THINK MORE ABOUT THE CRIMES THEY ARE GOING TO COMMIT TURNING MOST IF NOT ALL CRIME INTO PREMEDICATED WHICH COULD BACKFIRE ON THE MASTERMINDS WHO ARE COMING OUT WITH THESE NEW TECHNIQUES. INSTEAD OF CRIMES GETTING SOLVED BECAUSE OF THE INSTANTANEOSNESS NATURE OF THEM IN DAYS GONE BY, A LOT MORE THOUGHT IS GOING INTO THE ACTS, JUST LIKE YOU HAVE POINTED OUT WITH THE ARMED ROBBERS. 

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Hi MCGUNNISS, The reason why the technology and anti crime measures are in place now is due to the fact the the system has learned from the crimes and from those who committed them.

 

I am sure that the younger generation will find ways round the new techie material and use it to their advantage....thus the system has to learn again with a new breed of youngsters who do their homework....not just in the class but out on the big bad streets!

 

Another thing is that these SUPER-DUPER ASBO'S ain't the solution either


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YOU'RE RIGHT ADMIN 2 ASBO'S ARE STUPID THINGS,THESE GUYS CAUSING THE AGG ARE PROUD TO HAVE ASBO'S SERVED ON THEM, THEY LOOK ON THEM AS A PRIZE FOR THEIR EFFORTS IN ANNOYING PEOPLE, A LOT OF THE TIME WHAT THEY REALLY NEED IS GOOD COUNCILLING, NOT FROM ONE OF THE NAZI GREY SUITS WHO WOULD GO IN TRYING TO LAY THE LAW DOWN AND WINDING THEM UP IN ORDER TO GET A GOOD KICKING, 6 MONTHS OFF WORK AND CRIMINAL COMPEN, BUT TO ASSESS THIER SITUATION, A LOT OF THE TIME THE TENANT MIGHT BE IN NEED OF MEDICAL (PSYCHOLOGICAL) ATTENTION, BE VERY IMPOVERISHED OR BE ACTING IN RETALIATION TO CERTAIN ISSUES.PROPER TRAINED SOCIAL WORKERS ARE NNEDED TO GO AND EXPLAIN TO THE TENNANT THE DANGERS OF BECOMING HOMELESS AND TO HEAR THE STORY FROM THE ACCUSED SIDE.   
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Hi MCGUINNESS, Some very good points as there is always two sides to a story but unfortunately the NAZI PARTY who implement the ASBO'S only want to make up the STATS so at the end of the year the men in GREY SUITS can do a number crunching exercise as PR to then show the public.

 

As for more social workers? .....don't really know if that is the solution as the young folk look at these people as part of the SYSTEM so perhaps  some councilors (slight name change from social worker) could engage in some duologue with the kids to get to the core of the problems?

 

The ASBO has become a BADGE of HONOR among them and the men in GREY SUITS have created a new generation of teenagers that will collect ASBO'S like we used to collect cards or stickers........the more you have in your collection the more street cred you have........and its now the same with the ASBO'S.

 

OK I do agree that something must be done to protect the vulnerable and the elderly to have some quality of life (quite rightly so) and although the introduction of these new ASBO'S was no doubt well intended it will never work as its creating young hero's who have a whole new list of them and will be stigmatised for the rest of their life.

 

Someone should take the lead and take these kids to a young offenders institution to show them the final result....then it is a matter for them if they actually end up back in the very same place that they had visited.....only this time as an inmate with a criminal record.

 

However once they are inside they get educated by fellow inmates and end up either on heroin or on a very long road in the university of life...sad but true eh?

 

Great topic MCGUINNESS

 

 


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Bush enters Cheney 'torture row'
US President George W Bush, and Vice President Dick Cheney in the background
Mr Bush has repeatedly refused to specify which techniques are used
US President George Bush has reiterated his position that the US administration does not condone torture, following comments by Vice-President Dick Cheney.

In an interview, Mr Cheney agreed that "a dunk in the water" for terrorism suspects during questioning in order to save American lives was a "no-brainer".

His comments have provoked outrage from anti-torture and human rights groups.

When asked about the remark, President Bush said that the United States does not use torture and was not going to.

This country doesn't torture, we're not going to torture
President George Bush

Mr Cheney is assumed by human rights groups to have been referring to "water boarding" - a technique in which suspects are made to think that they are drowning.

President Bush did not comment on particular techniques.

"This country doesn't torture, we're not going to torture," Mr Bush was quoted by the Associated Press news agency during a photo session in Washington DC.

"We will interrogate people we pick up off the battlefield to determine whether or not they've got information that will be helpful to protect the country," he said.

Mr Cheney's comment was made on Tuesday but only came to light on Friday, exacerbated by a stormy and confrontational White House press briefing.

'Off limits'

The conservative radio host, Scott Hennen, asked Mr Cheney if he agreed that "a dunk in water is a no-brainer" if it would unearth information of pending attacks and save lives.

Mr Cheney replied: "Well, it's a no-brainer for me." He went on to say that he was not condoning torture but said you can have a robust interrogation programme without torture.

White House spokesman Tony Snow faced pointed questioning from reporters.

"The vice-president says he was talking in general terms about a questioning program that is legal to save American lives, and he was not referring to water boarding," he said.

A detainee at the Guantanamo Bay detention centre (file image)
Evidence has emerged of the existence of secret CIA prisons

The BBC's Justin Webb in Washington DC asked whether it was possible that, 10 days before mid-term elections, the vice-president was signalling to hard-line Republicans that he preferred that the process was still being used.

The White House gave the impression that water boarding would be off limits when it pushed through a controversial terror bill just a few weeks ago, our correspondent says.

The US executive director of Amnesty International said Mr Cheney's gaffe revealed the US administration's true intentions for prisoner interrogation in the future.

"What's really a no-brainer is that no US official, much less a vice-president, should champion torture," said Larry Cox.

US interrogation techniques have been under the spotlight since evidence emerged of detainee abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the existence of secret CIA prisons.


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THE WEST HAS TO MAINTAIN CONTROL, IF WE DONT THE ASIANS WILL TAKE OVER, SOMETIMES THE WAY ISSUES ARE DEALT WITH IS FROWNED APON. TO BE BRUTALLY HONEST IN A TOTALLY NON-RACIST WAY......

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Hi MCGUINNESS  do you realise that Global domination has very strong roots in our past?......it is there we should visit and see what went wrong and most importantly who was to blame.

The Rise of the British Empire

The British Empire was the first genuinely global empire, an empire that ranged, at times, from the American colonies in the West, Australia and New Zealand in the East, Canada and her dominions in the North and huge chunks of Africa in the South, including Egypt and Rhodesia. These huge landmasses, and many other smaller islands and places besides, were to be shaped, controlled, dominated and otherwise brought under the dominion of a nation which, prior to colonial ambitions, was a small and perhaps dull and uninspiring set of countries. That the British Empire significantly kick-started the world into the modern era, and gave the world a unifying language is not really in dispute; but the truth behind the image certainly is, and the ugly reality behind the ever-polished and very-rarely challenged veneer of respectability the British, and hence the British Empire, in some quarters have tried to maintain.

Where do we begin? At the beginning. Far from Britain being historically a never-ending line of tyrants and wayward rulers, Britain has been, to some degree at any rate, a parliamentary democracy that reigned in kings and queens and rulers, and was the first to have a popular revolution, under Cromwell, in Europe. The Englishmen who started the first serious forays into venture capitalism, were little more than pirates and adventurers who plundered the Spanish main, and wanted a slice of the wealth flowing out of the New World, of which ventures were often backed by Royal decree. Here begins the roots of the British Empire.

From ideas of empire rose the ideas of capitalism, free trade, enforced labour, rigid hierarchies, the criminalisation of the poor, and severe and almost unquestioned divides between those who had and those who did not have, both at home and abroad. That this process made many people seriously wealthy cannot be disproved, that it also made many many more people far worse off is, in reality, more important an issue to deal with.

That the legacies of empire are far reaching can be seen only too clearly in places like Ireland, Africa, India and much of the Middle East at this present time. It is when racism and prejudice are broached, that the Empire seems to come into its own; Ireland was the first serious attempt by the British Crown and Parliament, to begin a process of English colonisation, whose colonists would then take over the 'wilderness' of Ireland and use the land more profitably. The Irish were treated like the native 'Indians' a little later in America, as being 'in the way', nomads who were uncivilised, and, more importantly, who did not utilise, and particularly, did not 'own' the land they wandered. This is an important point to understand, and much rests on this 'belief', both in Ireland, America and much later Africa and other nations. The inference being, in English and British mindsets, that because nobody 'owned' the land, it was up for grabs. A simple point, but much laboured, and was the intellectual argument for such colonialism. The Englishman was a gentleman, the Irishman, and henceforth many other nationalities, was an uncivilised and uncultured brute. This 'excuse', compounded with other often faulty reasoning and intellectualising, was the reason why Englishmen sought to establish colonies that would make them enormous profits, buy themselves into the gentry, win fame and glory, and establish their names. Such ideas of civilisation and 'gentlemanliness' being used to excuse ethnic cleansing, land grabbing, slavery and untold injustices have their reflections in most if not all empires, and are seen clearest in the 'nazification' of early 20th century Germany; when notions of superior and inferior excused the most barbarous and evil of practises.

Africa only really became a serious issue to the Empire at the end of the 19th century, but for centuries prior to this, was a source of wealth for Britain and Europe, primarily because of the slave trade, but also as a market for European goods, and as another outpost of European colonialism from the early 1600's. According to Iggy Kim and Peter Boyle, in their article How the rich invented racism, racism has its historical roots in the development of capitalism. Slaves could be purchased cheaply and brought in unlimited numbers from Africa. In the racist mode of reasoning, the next logical step was to conclude that, somehow, blacks must have been "naturally" inferior to whites. Two other factors assisted the advance of racist ideas in the 19th century: the expansion of European capitalism to include huge colonial empires in Asia and Africa, and the development of early theories of human evolution. Gross manipulation of the latter helped justify the new global oppressive relations of imperialism.

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Ports like Liverpool, Bristol, Cardiff and Glasgow, amongst no doubt many others, grew rich and powerful as a result of this trade, allowing merchants to expand, bankers to grow wealthy, companies to prosper, and many individuals to make more money than they knew what to do with; it was indeed a profitable trade, and also, more and more, a trade that is hidden from history. It is no exaggeration to say that the slave trade, and the profits it created, helped cement the emergence of Capitalism, Britain's pre-eminence as a world empire, the beginnings of Britain's industrialisation, and the creation of a class of capitalists with untold wealth and power at their fingertips. Such unequal relations of wealth and power, creating vast divisions in Britain and around the world, would become uncomfortable realities for many people, and sooner or later would be justified or explained away in high-blown intellectual and scientific terms.

Desmond Kuah, of the National University of Singapore, writes that by the middle of the nineteenth century, the British Empire was the largest and richest empire in the world. This naturally gave rise to the belief that the British themselves were the chosen race chosen to bring the benefits of western civilization to the backward areas of the world. With India's conquest, in ways militarily, economic, social, ethnic and even religious, came then, as with other dominions, justifications and intellectual reasoning about British, and White European, 'natural' superiority and the 'natural' inferiority of conquered people's around the world.

In understanding and accepting the real reasons for empire, then a better understanding can be made of seeing the inherent divisions within the imperial system, and how racist and classist propaganda, to name but two, was heaped on top of centuries of brutal, merciless and systematic injustice for one real purpose, to make capital gain.

Anthony S. Wohl, Professor of History at Vassar College writes that during the nineteenth century theories of race were advanced both by the scientific community and in the popular daily and periodical press. In his article The Function of Racism in Victorian England Professor Wohl goes on to argue that "to denigrate or point up the bestial, brute, savage nature of an outside group is to point up our own advanced state and protect ourselves against inner fears or tensions. Racism and class prejudice, in other words, not only serve as agents of political power, but also serve as buffers between a community and a nature that seems to be getting too close to it for psychological comfort."

Social Class ideas in Britain followed many of the arguments that racist classifications did, and were equally pored over by scientists and social theorists. In Britain, class became an issue by the early 19th century. These classes were identifiable groups, and were most notably understood in terms of inequalities in wealth, social power, political power, life expectancy, living conditions, types of job and so on. Race and Class often overlapped, as the Irish would be seen as inferior both racially and in terms of their low-social status. David Cody, Associate Professor of English, Hartwick College argues that early in the nineteenth century the labels "working classes" and "middle classes" were already coming into common usage. The old hereditary aristocracy, reinforced by the new gentry who owed their success to commerce, industry, and the professions, evolved into an "upper class". Beneath the industrial workers was a submerged "under class" which lived in poverty. It could be argued that in some cases, this structure is still viable even today.

The Fall of the British Empire
Now, I wish to look at how Britain's decline as a world empire, effectively in the middle of the 20th century, was and has been in many cases a smokescreen for Britain's continued economic domination of large parts of the globe, and how Britain itself to this very day exercises divisions and injustices that impoverish large sections of the British populace, both ethnic British and other ethnic minorities. And how tying all this together, and at its very heart, there is a moral vacuum at the heart of those who control mass wealth and power at all costs, even the cost of a peaceful world.

The reality of empire, both historically and at present, are so far from the rosy picture of a benign and benevolent undertaking, that an unlearned person might think they were discussing two completely different things. The reality of empire is power, and control of wealth and resources, always stacked unevenly and unjustly in favour of small groups of people. The story of the British Empire, now as well as then, is the story of how this power was and is wielded to create class and wealth divisions in Britain, and how these divisions were and are promoted around the world, in 'superior' white and 'inferior' natives and dark-skinned peoples of the world, all for an agenda of mass profit and wealth creation for a relative few, and the vastly unequal power relations such wealth creates, in Britain and the rest of the world. How these divisions are promoted, accepted, subtly held onto, and reinforced by supposedly benign British institutions like the Church of England, the Judiciary, the Armed Forces with their rigid class structures and so on. In the days of Empire on the global scene, it was a belief that the white man was superior, sensitive, intelligent and fit to govern, but in Britain itself, it was a class structure, again promoted as benign, that held sway; the effete middle and upper class gentleman holding wealth and power and exercising dominance over his social inferiors. Class and Race are still at the heart of a divided Britain, and a divided world. On these injustices were huge fortunes made, lands appropriated, empires carved out, colonies settled and wholesale destructions of cultures and ways of life.

It is easy to attack a structure because you are not part of it, or because you or your family and so forth never really benefited from these structures. But it is the moral issue that is at stake here; the morals surrounding slavery, plantation systems, factory systems, enclosure acts, criminalisation of those left out of the enormous wealth created by Britain for centuries. Yes, it may be an issue of envy, but it is also one of injustice heaped upon further injustices, and of institutions in Britain like the Judiciary and the established Church of England, who rather than speaking out compounded the guilt by being ineffectual, obscure and often mouthpieces for the power and injustices meted out. The heart of the myth is the fallacy of English fair play and justice. A mere glance at history, and at present day affairs shows there is only greed and naked self-interest, compounded with injustice and a lack of any real morals whatsoever. The real enemy is injustice.

In Mark Curtis' eye-opening book 'Web of Deceit: Britain's Real Role in the World', the realities of British power and greed are encapsulated in factual chapters, which have been written after studying declassified information of Britain's role in a number of global situations. This is truth, from the horse's mouth so to speak, and it does not make particularly edifying reading. As well as his page by page dissection of well-spread lies by the British elite when tackling popular uprisings in Africa, British Guiana and many other places throughout the 20th century, he criticises the media, even the liberal, intellectual and so-called independent media and journalists, for largely ignoring the injustices sown by Britain. This speaks of a bigger picture, and of the class structures within Britain itself, where individuals have colluded and conspired to ignore unpalatable realities so long as they in some ways benefited. In present day terms, we might well ask why in Britain, at the heart of a modern democracy, there are vast gulfs of wealth disparity between rich and poor, and we might ask why a country awash with wealth and resources should become even more divided than poorer countries, with an immoral class system that remains basically unquestioned at this time.

Mark Curtis writes, in his aforementioned book: "The reality is that British governments bear significant responsibility for global poverty-not only as a former colonial power that shaped many of the current unjust structures, but in their championing of a world trade system and economic ideology that enriches the few and impoverishes many more...Yet I do not think I have ever seen a media article that mentions that Britain might in some way systematically contribute to poverty in the world. Is this not extraordinary?" Remarkable certainly, and extraordinary perhaps so, but somehow this tallies with everything anyone who merely wishes to be honest about the British Empire, and about the realities of empire; those of unequal power and wealth relations, and of little or no moral culpability or responsibility. The fuel of the British Empire was not coal or wool after all, but an incredible lack of concern for those trampled underfoot in the quest for bigger and bigger profits.

And just as Britain, like America, has traditionally backed right-wing dictators and right-wing monarchies and powers in other countries around the world, those regimes often denying even basic rights to the mass of their own people, so Britain has learnt these injustices well, and kept large amounts of British people in the dark, and in poor paying jobs, in run-down areas economically, whilst allowing other groups to prosper often unjustly at the expense of those who are politically, economically and socially oppressed. Sound familiar? I expect it does.

In Liverpool at this present time, one of the major ports at the height of Britain's imperial power, the reality of wealth creation, and of British civilisation and British society is unveiling itself in 'Regeneration' and the much-touted 'Capital of Culture'. Liverpool is a working class city, a town that, whilst a relative few made fortunes and good livings, has been a city traditionally poor, with low paying employment and few real prospects for the average citizen, both historically and at this time. The ball starts rolling when rich people can make more money, and most Liverpool people, those born-and-bred, and many more besides, see in Regeneration a cynical exercise in money making, and another gravy train for overpaid yuppies, consultants, city councillors, politicians and speculators of all kinds and of every hue. I have personally interviewed lots of people in the city centre who have said they are being sidelined, and basically booted out of the city to make way for overpriced restaurants and trendy wine bars, and higher paying rents. This is just another in the long phase of injustice meted out by British wealth and power. That of poor and ordinary people being sidelined to make some rich people even richer, and of all the injustice and hypocrisy that all this entails; low wage economies in the world's 4th richest country, higher taxes for poor people, higher prices in Britain, an average wage in Liverpool of £9000 after the billions flooding in from Europe over the last decade and perhaps more. You may well ask why, in all of these capitalist speculations, a little more of the huge wealth floating around cannot be shared a little more fairly. And therein, in these questions, are answers to be found. They are uncomfortable answers, but true all the same, and they all point to greed, hypocrisy, injustice, breathtaking double-standards, corruption in places high and low and wilful immorality.

The aftermath of the British Empire can be seen clearly around the world, and in Britain itself, divided by unjust class and racist systems, and particularly in the 'gold rush' speculations of Liverpool's Capital of Culture. It's heart is empty, and its morals are non-existent.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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THE WEST HAS TO MAINTAIN CONTROL, IF WE DONT THE ASIANS WILL TAKE OVER, SOMETIMES THE WAY ISSUES ARE DEALT WITH IS FROWNED APON. TO BE BRUTALLY HONEST IN A TOTALLY NON-RACIST WAY......

"WE AS WESTERNERS SHOULD NOT WISH ASIANS TO TAKE OVER!!!"

What gives us the right to global domination in the first place?

 

Are we not in a position to share our knowledge or skills with other cultures?

 

Why are ASIANS (in your view trying to achieve world domination?) a focus now of interest because of a minority of Jihadists??

 

Did the IRISH try to dominate the world when they bombed the UK for decades?

 

 


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THATS ALL IN THE PAST, ITS SHAPED OUR FUTURE, IF WE HADNT DONE IT SOMEONE ELSE WOULD HAVE, SO THANK F+*K IT WAS US AND NOT THEM, WE HAVE STABILITY AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH, CLEAN WATER AND DEMOCRACY THE ASIANS ARE AN EVIL NASTY BREED THAY WOULD NOT BE SO UNDERSTANDING AS OUR FOREFATHERS WERE BELIVE ME, YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH IN OTHER COUNTRIES TO PROOVE MY POINT TO WHAT TYPE OF PEOPLE WE ARE UP AGAINST, NO SOCIAL SERVICES NO BUROO MONEY, JUST POVERY AND DISEASE CAUSED BY POLITICAINS WHO DONT GIVE A DAMN, AYE HAMMER YOURE RIGHT WE SHOULD GO IN AND HELP COUNTRIES WITH EDUCATION AND SYSTEMS THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING IN IRAQ, TRYING TO GIVE INSTATE DEMOCRACY, WHAT GIVES US THE RIGHT IS THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO STICK UP FOR OUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS MATE, NO MATTER THIER RACR BELIEFS OR CREED. BY RIGHT WE SHOULDNT, WE SHOULD MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS( AYE RIGHT) MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE PRODUCTS OF THERE OWN ENVIRONMENT, THEY DONT KNOW ANY DIFFERNT, THEY ARE BORN INTO IT, SO WHY? DO WE BOTHER? I'LL TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE WE HAVE A HEAVY SENCE OF RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SO.ITS NOT THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL I'M HAVING A GO AT ITS THIER GOVERNMENTS CREAMING THE MONEY AND RESOURCES WE GIVE IN AID TO TRY AND HELP.

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Hi MCG, Sorry mate I am not knocking what you are saying in your post as you have as much right as anyone else to have your say.....it all depends on what others think and also have a right to reply.

 

We have far too much to do with other countries business affairs when our own is rotten to the core and has been that way and always will be....there is no magic wand.

 

Politics and religion my friend are two of the most poisonous subjects to tackle as you know...Say for example a country does not want a democracy what right is it to enforce it upon them and have so many lives lost as a consequence of mandates and orders by men in suits who run the show?.....where are their guns and bullets....where are their families?....where are they right now?

 

Most probably eager for the Sunday broadsheets to see how their shares are doing..... and that my friend are the ones we should be keeping an eye on and not the Asians who have been demonised in the media...although it is those mad F*****S who blow themselves up and have no regards for you and I.....but they are not all in the same mold as these brainwashed lunatics who by swearing to their god they do believe they are martyrs.

 

This war will be everlasting as there are no defined enemy......it is indeed in the hands of the gods whoever they may be and no matter our own views there are always others who do not want to hear nor see nor even want to know anything else other than their own agenda.

 

 


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good stuff admin2, sorry if a came across a bit of "dont give a shit" in some of these posts its just that sometimes i feel that we give our leaders a hard time, we have the best standard of living and the most even distribution of wealth than anywhere else in the world, they care about our societys . countries with dictatorships do not, look at north korea, millions on the brink of starvation and all their leader can think of doing to solve thier problem is spend billions on a bloody nuclear programme, why could he not have used that money to set up a benifit system for the people of his country or sort out some sort of food import scheme, we in the west subsidise poor countries like this and the money gets spent on nuclear arms.....wtf, this is why we should in my eyes impose democracy it is our duty as civilised human beings.sorry if i'm a bit grumpy this week ive got ma drivin test on friday morning and i'm stressed again, even the misses has been giving earach about being a grouch 



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Good luck on Friday McG just imagine the examiner isn`t there think of something nice while driving like celebrating when u pass this test on friday

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"What is reality? The Truth? , A safe zone we build based on facts? And were do we get those facts from?"

Paul Ferris, September 2004

 

good stuff admin2, sorry if a came across a bit of "dont give a shit" in some of these posts its just that sometimes i feel that we give our leaders a hard time, we have the best standard of living and the most even distribution of wealth than anywhere else in the world, they care about our societys . countries with dictatorships do not, look at north korea, millions on the brink of starvation and all their leader can think of doing to solve thier problem is spend billions on a bloody nuclear programme, why could he not have used that money to set up a benifit system for the people of his country or sort out some sort of food import scheme, we in the west subsidise poor countries like this and the money gets spent on nuclear arms.....wtf, this is why we should in my eyes impose democracy it is our duty as civilised human beings.sorry if i'm a bit grumpy this week ive got ma drivin test on friday morning and i'm stressed again, even the misses has been giving earach about being a grouch 

 

Glad you like that section McG as its hard hitting and right to the point ....just as Linda posted what other website is prepared to confront and expose POLICE CORRUPTION not only in Scotland but in the UK as a whole?

 

"What is reality? The Truth? , A safe zone we build based on facts? And were do we get those facts from?"

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