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Tory leader David Cameron has called for more powers to "compel" fathers to look after their children in an effort to tackle gang culture.

He said he backed tax breaks to help families stay together and promoting a "culture of responsibility and respecting authority".

The comments follow the fatal shootings of three London teenagers.

But Prime Minister Tony Blair said the killings were not "a metaphor for the state of British society".

'Stay together'

Mr Cameron called for a "complete change in our values".

He said: "I believe in marriage. I believe in people making a commitment to each other and staying together and trying to bring up their children properly."

Children were often attracted to gangs if they lacked a father figure, he added.

Mr Cameron said: "We have got to sit up and realise we are running things by the wrong values. We need to support families."

It's a specific problem and a specific criminal culture among a specific group of people
Tony Blair


The Child Support Agency was "meant" to collect money from fathers to pay for raising their children, but men in other European countries faced "tougher rules and had to stand by" their families, he said.

A Unicef report published this week put UK children at the bottom of a well-being league table of 21 industrialised countries.

Mr Cameron told a youth organisation in Oxfordshire this meant society was in "deep trouble".


He said: "In the last two weeks, five people have been murdered in south London - three of them teenagers.

"On the face of it, this is a law and order issue. But surely no-one imagines that we can stop crimes like this simply with better policing or better gun control.

"The problem lies within families and communities, and so does the solution."

Homicide figures


Mr Cameron also said: "I'm not talking about taking on a gang of dangerous thugs.

"I'm talking about treating children and teenagers with respect - with the expectation that, if they are spoken to as reasonable people, they will respond as reasonable people."

But Mr Blair said: "What has happened in south London is horrific, shocking and, for the victims and their families, tragic beyond belief.

"However, let's be careful in our response.

"This tragedy is not a metaphor for the state of British society, still less for the state of British youth today, the huge majority of whom are responsible and law-abiding.

"It's a specific problem and a specific criminal culture among a specific group of people."

Home Secretary John Reid held a meeting on Friday with MPs from south London.

'No quick fixes'

Afterwards he suggested he was looking at ways of toughening gun laws.

"I have also asked my lawyers, the home office lawyers, to look at ways of possibly strengthening legislation and where appropriate, sentencing," he said.

He said those who suggested the shootings were the result of social breakdown underestimated "the vast majority of people in this city and in this country who are not like that".

He added such suggestions should not become "an excuse, or an alibi or a justification for these dreadful, awful, terrible crimes".

Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell said: "There are no quick fixes to the problems of relationship breakdown and a disenfranchised generation.

"Nurturing families and building communities takes years."

Armed patrols

After this month's third fatal shooting in south London, armed police officers are to patrol the streets as part of a new task force announced by Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair.

Billy Cox, 15, was found dead by his 12-year-old sister at their home near Clapham North underground station on Wednesday.

Michael Dosunmu, aged 15, was shot dead in the bedroom of his Peckham home on 6 February. A man has been arrested in connection with the killing.

Three days earlier, 16-year-old James Andre Smartt-Ford died after he was shot at Streatham Ice Arena.

The new task force will run alongside Operation Trident, which investigates gun crime in the black community.

Billy Cox's father Tommy said: "I've been watching news about the two other boys shot and thought - these are only kids.

"They don't deserve that. The way they get hold of guns now is unbelievable.

"I want everyone to get behind the police 100%. If you have anything to say, tell the police. We and all his family will miss him so much."


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G Edward Griffin's Filmstrip from cira 1969 called Seduction of a generation.....warmed of this coming and the forces behind it / 1:19am 18 Feb 2007 Once you have watched the above, you will realise the real objectives of whats been happening over the last few years is to create such a problem that the only solution that is a police state.
Switch the TV off and go educate yourselves, before it is too late.

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19 February 2007

SEX offenders in Scotland who refuse to co-operate with police will soon be unmasked on the internet.

Details and pictures will appear on the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, who publish some of the UK's most wanted missing sex offenders. The service has so far only been available down south, but Justice Minister Cathy Jamieson yesterday revealed it would soon be available in Scotland.

She said the Executive, Crown office, police and Crimestoppers were working toward this goal.

She added "We also know that the law-abiding public, who want to feel safer in their homes and on the streets, are concerned about sex offenders living in their community."

The move comes after MSPs considered the issue after the murder of eight-year-old Mark Cummings.

He was killed and thrown down a rubbish chute by known sex offender Stuart Legatte who lived in the same tower block in Royston, Glasgow.

Since his death in 2004, his mum Margaret Ann has campaigned for a "Mark's Law" which would allow parents to be told if there are registered sex offenders living in their area.


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Ray Mallon says he still has work to do as mayor
Former police officer Ray Mallon - dubbed Robocop - is to seek a second term as the elected mayor of Middlesbrough, it has been announced.

Mr Mallon, who pioneered zero-tolerance policing on Teesside, confirmed he would be standing as an independent candidate in the 3 May elections.

Mr Mallon has been courted by political party leaders and has been outspoken about aspects of government policy.

He became the town's first elected Mayor when he was successful in 2002.

Mr Mallon said the youth agenda and continuing the regeneration of Middlesbrough would be at the forefront of his plans.

'Turned things around'

He said: "I like to finish what I start. We have made tremendous strides in the regeneration of Middlesbrough and its people over the past five years but there is still work to be done and I want to see it through.

"I am a man of my word and I want to make good on the promises I have made during my first term.

"Middlesbrough was in decline five years ago, but I believe we have turned things around. The strategy we drew up to regenerate the town and its people is working."

He said he was looking forward to the electoral fight and urged "as many candidates as possible" to come forward.

Last year he branded the government "clueless" on tackling law and order and called for parents to be prosecuted for failing to keep their children under control.


It's a fair cop

Ray Mallon swept aside the fallout from a multi million pound inquiry into police corruption, which centred largely on his actions as a serving police officer, to become mayor of Middlesbrough.

Ray Mallon, the high-flying detective dubbed "Robocop" for bringing tough US-style policing to the UK, today entered politics on the back of a pledge to continue his crime-fighting efforts.

His impressive victory comes despite his open admission that he has only a limited knowledge of politics - in fine populist style, he called on the voting public to set his mayoral agenda.

It remains to be seen how the tough, zero tolerance cop will cope with running Middlesbrough's social services and education departments.

Perhaps the most monumental coup of Mr Mallon's mayoral bid was his ability to sweep aside the fallout of Operation Lancet - the multi million pound inquiry into corruption within Cleveland police, which centred largely on his actions as a serving officer and ended earlier this year.

Mr Mallon had stood silent for four years, suspended since December 1997 in the wake of a barrage of accusations against himself and his officers. He was cleared of any criminal wrong-doing in June 2000 but still faced internal disciplinary matters.

Despite repeated calls from supportive politicians for disciplinary proceedings to go ahead, there was no hurry at Cleveland police's Ladgate Lane headquarters to bring Mr Mallon to book.

In the end, he forced his former employers to act. He announced in August last year that he would stand for mayor of Middlesbrough, resigning from the force because a serving police officer cannot run for political office.

Chief constable Barry Shaw rejected his resignation and Mr Mallon amazed supporters and opponents alike by admitting 14 disciplinary offences. He said this was necessary for his mayoral bid to go ahead.

That decision would appear to be justified by an overwhelming groundswell of support in today's election.

The 46-year-old, who was "required to resign" from the force in February because of the disciplinary matters, ran for mayor as a candidate with no political allegiance, standing under his name rather than as an independent candidate.

Today's vote effectively secured Mallon as the most powerful man in Middlesbrough town hall and the number one decision-maker, although he still has to force his policies through full meetings of councillors who are unlikely to be sympathetic to his aims.

Mr Mallon's uncompromising acceptance speech will have made him few friends in the town hall. Speaking after his victory this afternoon, he lambasted the local political class, saying: "There are some councillors in this town who are arrogant and do not give a jot about the public."

Operation Lancet also faced the lash of Mr Mallon's tongue, as he dubbed it a waste of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money.

The saga has captured the nation's attention as Cleveland Police Authority chairman Ken Walker and Middlesbrough Labour MP Stuart Bell have launched their own attacks on Mr Mallon, who in turn spoke out against them both.

It emerged recently that Mr Bell was considering legal action against Mr Mallon over alleged newspaper comments.

Mr Bell's fellow Labour MP Ashok Kumar, who represents Middlesbrough South and Cleveland East, has maintained his support of Mr Mallon and been an outspoken critic of the whole Operation Lancet affair.

The political in-fighting is a far cry from the days when Mr Mallon joined his local force as a constable.

The only son of an undertaker, he joined the police in 1974 at the age of 19 and two decades later was appointed deputy chief inspector of Hartlepool, where he reduced crime on his patch by 35% in two-and-a-half years.

His method was to make life tough for known criminals and mount surveillance operations until they were caught in the act.

More famously, he introduced the zero tolerance policy, which had proved successful in New York and instructed officers to clamp down on seemingly less serious crimes.

The father of two daughters became Middlesbrough's most senior detective in November 1996, and vowed to quit if he did not reduce crime by 20% within 18 months.

At his leaving party, before taking over the reins as head of CID at Middlesbrough, 200 colleagues turned up wearing braces - Mr Mallon's trademark - as a show of affection for the high-ranking officer.

His zero tolerance policing methods won the praise of the then Home Secretary Michael Howard who in April 1997 called him "my kind of cop".

Other political heavyweights joined in the praise, but within months of posing with Mr Blair on the eve of the 1997 general election, the teetotaller and fitness fanatic had been suspended as part of Operation Lancet.

Mr Mallon, who lives in Stockton-on-Tees with his wife Carole, went up against a list of mayoral opponents vying for the £30,000-a-year post which included Labour's candidate, Sylvia Connolly - formerly the council's deputy leader.

Until today the former policeman has worked in Middlesbrough in a consultancy role with a bathroom company.


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Revealed: 'Evil empire' of corrupt police boss

Ray Mallon wants the public to be his judge and jury. But secret documents seen by David Rose detail the drug dealing, cover-ups and lies that made a mockery of 'zero tolerance' policing.

After weeks of surveillance and intelligence-gathering, the Cleveland Police Organised Crime Group were ready to make their move. Their target, Michael Richardson, was believed to be one of Teesside's most prolific drug dealers, turning over cocaine and heroin worth thousands of pounds each week. Not a user himself, he tried to avoid carrying drugs on his person, leaving his 'joeys' - addicted minions paid in fixes - to run the risks.

     It was 1.30pm on 1 May 1997, and the police had been told by a reliable source that Richardson had had a recent delivery: inside his flat in the Middlesbrough suburb of Marton were substantial amounts of heroin. Eight officers smashed their way through the three mortice locks securing the front door, and while Richardson and two associates looked on, searched every inch of the property. They found nothing.

     It wasn't poor intelligence which foiled the operation, but police corruption. Less than an hour before Richardson had his door kicked in, he received a phone call warning him what was about to happen. He used the time to seal the heroin in plastic and 'plug' it - hide it in his rectum. Later, the police discovered who gave him the tip-off - Brendon Whitehead, a serving detective in Middlesbrough CID, who has since been sacked.

     The abortive raid on Richardson and the subsequent attempted cover-up formed just part of the case against Detective Superintendent Ray 'Robocop' Mallon, the flamboyant former Middlesbrough CID chief and arch-prophet of 'zero tolerance' policing, who was once held out as a national role model by the media, by the former Home Secretaries Michael Howard and Jack Straw, and by Tony Blair.

     Last week, more than four years after being suspended from duty, Mallon pleaded guilty to 14 disciplinary charges, admitting that he repeatedly lied, deliberately withheld evidence from senior officers, and turned a blind eye to detectives who took and dealt hard drugs, and supplied them to vulnerable suspects in custody. Paul Acres, the Hertfordshire Chief Constable who presided over Mallon's police tribunal, ruled that no fewer than 11 charges were individually serious enough to require his resignation.

     In a dramatic confrontation at Wednesday's meeting of the Cleveland Police Authority, Barry Shaw, the chief constable, looked a defiant Mallon directly in the eye as he publicly accused him of being at the centre of an 'empire of evil'. Mallon, he said, had done all in his power to try to suppress the truth, and had waged 'an unrelenting campaign to vilify those seeking justice'. Shaking with anger, Shaw quoted Ian Bynoe, deputy chairman of the independent Police Complaints Authority, who supervised the Mallon investigation. The charges he had admitted 'cannot be dismissed as the odd error of judgment or excusable mistake'. Instead, they were 'wholly incompatible with the standards required of even the most junior of police staff'.

     Aware that any comment he made might be considered prejudicial, Shaw has waited since Mallon's suspension in November 1997 to have his say. At 61 he is Britain's oldest chief constable, and has delayed his retirement by at least two years, determined to conclude a case he views as a vital test for the future of ethical policing, and fearful that any successor might let the matter drop. Throughout that time he has endured attacks by Mallon's powerful allies: the Labour peer Lord MacKenzie of Framwellgate, a close personal friend of Mallon and the former chairman of the Police Superintendents' Association, who has claimed time and again that the allegations were 'trivial'; the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland Ashok Kumar, who asked almost 50 parliamentary questions and demanded Shaw's resignation; some of his own officers; and numerous journalists in the local and national media.

     The Observer has learnt that Mallon did not plead guilty once but twice. After first admitting the charges on 4 February, Acres ordered he return to the tribunal two days later and repeat the exercise, and provide a firm assurance that he offered his pleas as an unequivocal acceptance of guilt. In the privacy of the closed tribunal, Mallon meekly complied. In public, last week he proved his assurance had been worthless, telling reporters he was not really guilty at all. He had only pleaded guilty in order to be sacked, he claimed, so he could leave the police in time to stand in May as Middlesbrough's first elected mayor. Then, he insisted, the city's people would be his 'judge and jury'.

     Despite its length, the details of Operation Lancet, the codename for the Mallon inquiry, have until today remained secret. However, The Observer has now seen hundreds of pages of documents compiled by the investigators, and can sketch its principal contours for the first time.

     Ray Mallon moved to Middlesbrough in 1996, after a posting in Hartlepool widely considered a stunning success. With his gym-honed physique and sharp-shouldered suits, he was an exceptional motivator of staff, exhorting them to still greater efforts in the war against crime with the passion of a revivalist preacher. Mallon threw himself into the job with gusto. If he did not manage to cut crime by 20% in his first year, he told the media, he would resign.

Despite his evident enthusiasm, there was unease among his colleagues at one of his first acts. Two years earlier, a Middlesbrough detective had been transferred to uniform for acting improperly with one of his informants. Even before Mallon began his new posting, the man was earnestly lobbying him to allow him back in the CID. Mallon agreed, appointing him to a new 'intelligence unit'. That officer was Brendon Whitehead.

     At Mallon's weekly motivational sessions, he used to praise Whitehead to his plainclothes and uniformed colleagues as a 'risk taker,' precisely the kind of officer Middlesbrough needed to get the desired results. In fact, as Mallon became increasingly aware, he was a reckless cocaine user, whose relationships with criminals went far beyond the proper legal boundaries governing contact between detectives and informants. Operation Lancet took several statements from officers and civilians who reported Whitehead taking drugs in local pubs, at least once snorting cocaine directly from the bar.

     In March 1997, evidence surfaced that another detective - who cannot be named for legal reasons - had given a female prisoner heroin. On 23 May, still more serious claims emerged. Statements in the Lancet dossier describe how Whitehead and two colleagues took a prisoner, Peter Matthews, out of the police station for a drive. Matthews was a known heroin addict, who had been arrested for burglary and theft. The ostensible purpose of taking him out was to gather 'intelligence'.

     Later, Matthews told Lancet what happened. Whitehead, he said, told him he was going to take him 'off station and buy me a pint and get me some gear. By this I mean heroin. When we left the police station DC Whitehead was driving the car, we went to a garage not far from the police station'. One of the other officers got out 'and said he was going for the gear ... we got to a pub somewhere. I had been given the gear, which I took.' He was taken inside the pub and given two pints of lager. In his drugged state, he was told to 'write something on official paper and I signed this. I believe it was admissions to offences.'

     However, on this occasion, the detectives' behaviour was impossible to ignore. As Matthews was being led back to his cell, a uniformed officer spotted a cigarette packet in his shirt pocket. Inside were the remains of the heroin, and the rolled aluminium foil which he had used to smoke it inside the detectives' car.

     An official inquiry began, but Mallon said nothing of the concerns he already had about Whitehead and his colleagues, and even arranged for one of the officers to visit the cells in the middle of the night and talk to Matthews again. A few days later he held a meeting for the CID. According to the Lancet dossier, he told Whitehead: 'The biggest thing you did wrong was getting caught.' Matthews, however, was a criminal, 'and no one would believe him'. He told the three detectives to say nothing.

     The following week he held his regular motivational gathering. A uniformed PC, who like most of those present knew all about the discovery of Matthews's heroin, described Mallon's speech: 'He stated he liked officers who were what he described as "troublemakers". He said if they had problems they were to go and see him and he would sort out their problems. He then singled out each of the three officers who had been involved with Matthews and got each to confirm his comments that he helped officers in times of trouble. I was flabbergasted.'

     The raid on Michael Richardson was not the only major drugs operation foiled by a tip-off from Middlesbrough police station which came to light during Lancet. But the relationship which emerged between the trafficker and the CID was extraordinary. Here too Mallon has pleaded guilty to what amounts to a cynical cover-up. His role in this case became the trigger for his suspension.

     It was 6 October 1997: in the wake of the Matthews case, Lancet was already under way, and suspicion over what had happened before Richardson's door went in was running high. A pale, thin, sobbing girl, aged 16, presented herself at the station, the supposed national centre of zero tolerance policing. She said that she had been brutally beaten and raped by her former boyfriend, Michael Richardson.

     Over the next few hours, officers trained in coaxing statements from the victims of sexual assaults took down her harrowing story. As they did so, a parallel horror became apparent: that Richardson had been protected for months by at least two detectives. One of them, she said, was Whitehead, who had given Richardson a police-issue CS gas cannister to use against rival criminals; had taken cocaine with him; had bought heroin from him to give to prisoners in exchange for information; had arranged for addicts who owed Richardson money to be arrested; and had phoned him from the police station before the 1 May raid. She had been present, and had seen Richardson stuff the drugs into his anus.

     The girl was plainly terrified. A uniformed inspector took charge of the case, and she told him 'she feared that if CID officers became involved their association with Richardson would result in his release'. Next morning, the inspector took her and her mother to see Mallon.

     'Robocop' had been at the gym, and was dressed in a tracksuit; as the meeting began, he was towel-drying his hair. He listened to the girl's story with apparent sympathy. According to her statement, before she left his office, 'Mr Mallon took my hand and kissed it and said something like, "It's a pity Michael did not kiss you like that."'

     Mallon's subsequent actions - all of which he has admitted - belied that inappropriately affectionate attitude. The uniformed inspector had drawn up a report, setting out the girl's allegations about Richardson's relationship with detectives, and recommending an immediate inquiry. Mallon sat beside him and scored out all the most incriminating details, ordering him to produce an alternative, diluted version. They did not need to be investigated, Mallon said, because they amounted merely to 'hearsay'. Unfortunately for Mallon, the inspector kept the original, and supplied it to Operation Lancet. As the disciplinary tribunal was much later to comment, the deleted allegations 'were of a serious nature, well capable of investigation and [must be] viewed as a further attempt to thwart a proper investigation'.

     Forced to stay silent by the rules of subjudice, Barry Shaw has not found the past 51 months easy. He has endured anonymous death threats, seemingly endless leaks to the media, and above all, further lies. For example, Mallon claimed repeatedly that he was never formally interviewed by Operation Lancet, protesting he was only too ready to answer all the allegations if only he were given a chance. In fact, he was interviewed twice, and on both occasions he exercised his right to make no comment.

     'Zero tolerance sent a powerful message to the people of Teesside,' Shaw said yesterday, 'to people who badly needed hope and encouragement. That's why I endorsed it. But what happened was a total betrayal of what zero tolerance stood for. Custody areas should be among the safest places in the country. In Middlesbrough, they were a place where corrupt detectives supplied hard drugs. If one isn't prepared to tackle this kind of issue with whatever it takes, one shouldn't be a chief constable.'

     Lancet uncovered many unpleasant facts. But there was one question, Shaw said, to which it had no answer. 'The thing I'll never know is why. If only he'd come to me and said, "Chief, I'm out of my depth here, I've got officers taking and supplying drugs, I may have made a few mistakes, I'm sorry and let's do something about it." Instead he stuck to his lies and cover-ups and fought and fought. Until quite a late stage he might have backed out of it. For whatever reason, he chose not to.'


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Police fear CCTV footage stolen to cover up crime...

SECURITY camera footage may have been "stolen to order" to cover up crimes on at least two recent occasions in Scotland, police sources have revealed.

South Lanarkshire Council and Dumfries and Galloway Police have disciplined staff following alleged misuse of CCTV film. A police inquiry has already been launched into the South Lanarkshire case and detectives are understood to be examining the theory the footage was deliberately "disappeared" to protect criminals.


Concern about the number of CCTV cameras on Scotland's streets is already high and the latest revelations will focus attention on whether the monitoring of their use is sufficiently tight.

Last night, civil rights campaigners warned our "surveillance society" was getting out of control and said there needed to be greater accountability from those who "watch the watchers".

Last year, the UK government's information commissioner warned that Britain had indeed become a surveillance society, with 4.2 million CCTV cameras in Britain, about one for every 14 people.

Information obtained by Scotland on Sunday under Freedom of Information legislation, show that both South Lanarkshire Council and Dumfries and Galloway Police ordered disciplinary proceedings against employees involved in their CCTV operations. In each case, a single employee was disciplined and the incidents are understood to have taken place within the past two years.

In the South Lanarkshire case, the investigation is understood to relate to the unauthorised removal of a council-operated camera tape showing a crime in the Hamilton area.

According to sources, police are examining the possibility a member of staff was asked to remove the CCTV footage in order to get rid of evidence.

A spokeswoman for the council said their investigation had been completed, but no one had been dismissed in relation to the incident. She refused to say whether the person at the centre of the case was still working in the council's CCTV department.

"The CCTV footage in question may be used in forthcoming criminal proceedings and as such we have been advised by the police that we cannot comment further," she said.

A police source said that their investigation into the incident was ongoing.

The Dumfries and Galloway case involves a member of the police's own CCTV operation. Dumfries and Galloway Police said: "One member of staff has been the subject of disciplinary proceedings in relation to their monitoring of CCTV. There have been no dismissals on these grounds during this period."

The force was unable to say whether the incident involved an actual police officer or a civilian member of staff involved in CCTV operations.

A Dumfries and Galloway force insider said the incident involved an attempt to retain footage which could be used as evidence in a case. The insider added that the phenomenon of "stealing to order" of CCTV footage was a known issue south of the Border, especially in the south-east of England, but that it had been unknown in Scotland until now.

John Scott, chairman of the Scottish Human Rights Centre, said: "These incidents are disturbing and they raise the question of who is watching the watchers. We have seen a constant increase in the amount of surveillance all around us.

"But who is making sure that those who have access to all this information are themselves subject to scrutiny and are accountable? This is why we should be so concerned about the rise of the surveillance society."

Alex Neil, the Scottish Nationalist list MSP for Central Scotland, said: "This is an issue of serious concern and South Lanarkshire Council should be open and upfront about whether someone who has been disciplined is still working in their CCTV centre. People have the right to know."

In recent months, civil liberties campaigners have claimed that Britons should be wary about the growth of surveillance and the "database state", a phrase used to refer to the ability of the authorities to cross-reference information from a variety of different sources. The typical person in the UK appears on 300 cameras a day.

In addition to private and public cameras, individuals can be tracked through credit and debit card transactions, mobile phones, radio chips on the goods they buy, and even "key-logging" programs which find their way onto computers and analyse what they type.

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1. / 12:44am 25 Feb 2007

Can anyone remember the days you could fuel a it like you stole it......looked up on cloudless skies without a care in the a few vids on this player and .............

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2. lisa, perth / 2:09am 25 Feb 2007

Stealing video footage is not confined to crooks. There is no video footage available to the public from the 20 or so security cameras that filmed the 9/11 crash into the Pentagon.

The footage would explain how a Boeing 757 crashed through the outer wall leaving only a 12 feet diameter hole. The hole is clearly visible in news footage taken before the wall collapsed.

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3. / 2:50am 25 Feb 2007

Comment@2 Lisa.....nice one

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4. Weary Wee Wummin, Edinburgh / 3:41am 25 Feb 2007

# 2 Changing the subject slightly....have you seen this one Lisa.

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5. / 4:18am 25 Feb 2007

Comment@4 Weary Wee Wummin....brilliant

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6. Guga, Rockall / 4:50am 25 Feb 2007

#4 http://www. That really does make you wonder what really happened. I've seen quite a number of aircraft crash sites in my time, but none like that alleged crash.

As for CCTV coverage, the way for us all to stuff it up is to demand copies of any we are in, as I believe we are entitled to do. If everyone did that, we could really stuff up the system.

Anyway, what's that Latin saying? Quis custodiet ipso custodes, if I remember correctly.

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7. Pete39, Tassy / 6:49am 25 Feb 2007

Cheez, those guys speaking Spanish again, even considering this Latin dialect. CCTV is good for you. They reach areas that you have never thought about. Don't knock it unless you have maybe been captured in a telephone box doing the naughties.

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8. Mallory / 7:45am 25 Feb 2007

Its not just CCTV on the streets. What about the cameras at the Court of Session which it is understoos can 'zoom in' on the Great Hall. Apparently at least one tape is being examined following complaints of possible witness intimidation.

And remember the 'lip reading' evidence from a recording of a prison visit.

Who is watching the watchers?

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9. Mallory / 8:15am 25 Feb 2007

#4 Nice one

..and see this excerpt from a film about 911

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10. Cadgers, Perth / 9:24am 25 Feb 2007

#4 Good one http://www.

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11. Bill, Dunblane / 10:06am 25 Feb 2007

4 - WWW - a MUST view!

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The Department for Transport says 21% of drivers break the law
Motorists who use hand-held mobile phones while driving will now face tougher penalties.

The maximum fixed penalty fine has doubled to £60, and three points can be added to offenders' licences.

Motorists will also be prosecuted for using a hands-free phone if they are not in control of their vehicle.

Transport minister Dr Stephen Ladyman said those who flouted the law were "selfishly" endangering others, but a drivers' group criticised the move.

In 2005, 13 deaths and 400 injuries were blamed on drivers using hand-held mobile phones.

If only they could be as tough on burglars, muggers and rapists as they are on drivers
Tim Hothersall, Accrington


The Department for Transport says 21% of drivers admit breaking the law, introduced in December 2003.

Road safety minister Dr Ladyman said the new penalties would be combined with a "hard-hitting" television campaign.

He told GMTV: "We have been working with the constabularies around the country, we chose the timing of today with them, so that they are ready to help us enforce it."

He added it was just as dangerous for people to use mobiles while "wobbling" around roundabouts as it was on motorways.

A recent survey commissioned by Direct Line suggested one million people in the UK were flouting the law at any one time, with drivers in Cardiff, Newcastle and Southampton the worst offenders.

There are quite a lot of people out there who are perfectly capable of holding a conversation on a mobile phone
Nigel Humphries
Association of British Drivers

Inspector Douglas Kirkham, from Lothian and Borders Road Policing Branch, warned drivers could be prosecuted if they were using a hands-free or Bluetooth kit.

He said: "If while making or having a conversation, even if you're using a Bluetooth, you are not in proper control of your vehicle, then an offence has still been committed."

AA public affairs head of road safety Andrew Howard said: "Police can trace back on phone call records to establish use during a journey that ended in a crash."

Dr Vivienne Nathanson, head of science and ethics at the British Medical Association (BMA), said a BMA report in 2001 had warned of the dangers of mobile use.

Graph showing rise in number of fixed-penalty notices issued for using mobile phones while driving since 2003

"Drivers must get into the habit of switching off before they set off on their journey.

"There is also a responsibility on employers not to call their staff if they know they are driving and not to pressurise their staff to keep their mobiles on."

Jools Townsend, head of education at road safety charity Brake, welcomed the new penalties but said hands-free phones should also be banned.

Nigel Humphries, from the Association of British Drivers, argued those who could use a phone in a responsible way should be free to do so.

He said: "There are quite a lot of people out there who are perfectly capable of holding a conversation on a mobile phone while the driving comes first."

The maximum fine rises to £1,000 if the police or the driver choose to take a case to court rather than use a fixed-penalty notice, rising to £2,500 for drivers of vans, lorries, buses and coaches.


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THOUSANDS of motorists will pick up a new car with the first of the 07 number plates tomorrow - and its value will plummet by up to £7,000 as soon as they drive it off the forecourt.

In some cases, a car will be worth 44 per cent less than it had been just minutes earlier if the owner wanted to sell it again - and, surprisingly, many do.


The day of the number plate change is one of the biggest of the year for new car sales to private buyers. But a consumer test with 20 of the biggest-selling models in the UK discovered a massive gap between the price paid on the forecourt and the value only a few miles later.

The motoring magazine Auto Express rang dealers in three parts of the country for each of the 20 models, claiming to be an owner who had made a terrible mistake.

The "owners" said they had bought the car less than a week earlier and had only driven a few miles in it, but due to a "change in circumstance" needed to sell it again and wanted to see what they could get for it.

The results shocked the researchers. The biggest price gap - £6,985 - was on a BMW 3 series, which costs just under £25,000 new but which dealers would buy back for only £18,000.

The biggest proportional loss was on a Ford Ka, whose slump in value from £7,395 to only £4,167 in a matter of days represented a 44 per cent drop.

The car which held its value the most, in percentage terms, was the £10,750 Honda Jazz, which fell in value by 15 per cent to £9,100 after a few days - still a £1,650 loss for an owner.

Researchers based their figures on the original list price of the car and an average of the three quotes from dealers to buy it back when it was a week old with 50 miles on the clock.

In the course of their investigations, the researchers discovered many of the 60 franchised dealers they rang had experienced dozens of similar cases themselves.

They ranged from a man who bought his wife a manual car for her birthday and then discovering her licence covered her to drive only automatics, to people whose businesses had collapsed the following day.

Sometimes the purchase had been an impulse buy and the owners later realised they had made a terrible mistake.

The depreciation problem is partly caused by the fact that dealers are so desperate to hit new-car sales targets that they bring in more models than they need and pre-register them to make the figures.

Jeff Patterson, of the car-price "bible" Glass's Guide, said: "The simple fact is manufacturers produce more units than they can ever sell.

"These cars have to go somewhere when they leave the factory gates, and the only option is to pre-register some of them. Technically, they are no longer new, but the fact they only have delivery miles on the clock and are very cheap pushes down the value of every other used car."

Car dealers are supposed to declare all pre-registrations so the public can see how true sales figures are, but it is believed the industry has found legal loopholes to get round declaring these.

Mr Patterson said: "These vehicles only have to be reported if they are sold on within three months. One way the industry gets round disclosing the true amount of vehicles that are pre-registered is to just hold on to them until this period has expired."

Mat Watson, the features editor of Auto Express, said: "Hundreds of thousands of people will be visiting their car dealer tomorrow to buy a brand new 07-plated vehicle, unaware of the huge sums of money they will lose the moment they drive it off the forecourt.

"On some models, like the Ford Ka, these can be mind bogglingly high.

"But even those which have only just been released, such as the new Vauxhall Corsa, also devalue by a surprisingly large amount."


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1 March 2007

DRIVERS, shoppers and football fans are being warned about major M8 roadworks this month.

Over the next three weekends, the inside lane and the eastbound slip road at Junction 3, for Livingston, will be closed to all traffic between Friday evening and Monday morning.

The essential maintenance work over two-thirds of a mile is timed to avoid busy weekdays.

But there will be speed restrictions and diversions and the junction is on a crunch stretch of the motorway. It carries 46,000 vehicles a day and is close to the popular McArthur Glen shopping complex.

Drivers who would normally use the junction should allow extra time for their journey.

Road management company Amey said the traffic restrictions will be removed before the busy weekday commuter period.


Kenny Kerr, of Amey, said: "Closing the slip road at the weekend allows the contractors to carry out this essential work when traffic is at its lightest.

"But, during March, shoppers visiting McArthur Glen and fans travelling to Livingston FC home games at Almondvale should leave a little more time."


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5 March 2007

A DODGY batch of cannabis sprayed with particles of glass is at the centre of a police health warning.

It's thought unscrupulous criminals are adding potentially dangerous silicone beads to herbal cannabis to bump up the weight and increase profits.

And drug busters yesterday urged smokers to be vigilant after the adulterated cannabis was discovered in Scotland.

The tiny reflective beads - usually used to frost glass - are less than a millimetre across and become embedded in the leaves.

Several smokers fell ill in England last week after puffing on the contaminated grass, dubbed "grit weed".

They complained of chesty coughs, mouth ulcers and sore throats.

Detective Superintendent Jill Wood, of the Scottish Crime and Drug Enforcement Agency, warned that the drug posed a "heightened risk" to the health of users.

She said: "We have seen this in Scotland in limited amounts and would advise users to be vigilant.

"It highlights the message that when you take illegal drugs you don't know what the ingredients actually are, and that goes for all illegal drugs."

Pressure group Legalise Cannabis Alliance have also posted a warning on their website.

And a spokesman yesterday warned Scots to be vigilant.

He said: "There have been reports of people coughing up blood and goodness knows what other effects there could be.

"If people think they have been sold some of this then the way to test it is to dab a bit of it onto a finger and test a piece of the grit between their teeth.

"People shouldn't smoke it and dealers should not sell it. Glass is not grass."

Student Thomas Corser, from Edinburgh, spoke out yesterday after he discovered he'd bought a bag of the dodgy drug.

Thomas, 20, said: "To adulterate cannabis like this is such a malicious and deceitful thing to do."

He added: "This stuff was sold to me as high quality cannabis.

"I smoked some of it but it wasn't until I saw it in the cold light of day that I noticed something wasn't right about it.

"When you rub it between your fingers the particles become obvious.

"It was a big fright to discover what this stuff was.

"I examined my ashtray afterwards and found quite a lot of the little beads, so hopefully I've not inhaled much of it.

"I have been feeling a bit queasy ever since and it's safe to say I won't be smoking anything for a while."

Experts say the glass particles are unlikely to pass into the lower parts of the lung, where serious disease is caused, because they are too big.

Ken Donaldson, professor of respiratory toxicology at Edinburgh University, said: "The particles are likely to become caught in big airways at the back of the throat or mouth.

"The particles are 1000 times bigger than those which enter the lower parts of the lungs."

He added that people should be more concerned about the effects of smoking.

Cannabis use is so common police in Scotland made 19,000 seizures of the class C drug last year.

It is believed as many as half of 16 to 25 year olds regularly smoke cannabis.


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Girl lost baby after WPC used 'excessive force' during arrest...

CCTV at centre of new storm as magistrates condemn police for their rough handling of pregnant suspect.

10th March 2007

Rebecca Tooke was handcuffed, dragged from her home in Norwich and bundled into the back of a police car

Two female police officers are being investigated after they were caught on CCTV using 'excessive force' to arrest a pregnant woman who subsequently lost her unborn child.

The scandal comes just days after the release of CCTV film of another woman being punched repeatedly by a policeman as he grappled with her outside a nightclub.

Video: Click here to watch the shocking CCTV footage of the arrest
(Warning: This clip contains consistently strong language from the outset)

In the latest case, 21-year-old Rebecca Tooke was handcuffed, dragged from her home in Norwich and bundled into the back of a police car by WPCs Beverley Coombes and Catriona McFadyen.

The following day, she says, she suffered a miscarriage and is now suing police for compensation. The case is also the subject of a investigation by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).

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The incident in April last year was captured on Miss Tooke's neighbours' CCTV system and was shown to a shocked courtroom on Friday, where she was cleared of two allegations of assault.

The footage shows Ms Tooke, who says she was four weeks pregnant at the time, being handcuffed and manhandled outside her home in Norwich.

The graphic images show Ms Tooke struggling with the police officers as they try to arrest her and it is possible to hear her swearing and screaming obscenities at them.

Both officers appear calm and tell Miss Tooke to calm down. One officer likens her behaviour to that of a child.

But at one stage she is pushed against the boot of the police car while one officer opens the car door to get her inside.

Although it is not audible on the CCTV recording, Norwich magistrates heard that one officer allegedly remarked: "If you weren't pregnant you would be on the floor by now and I would be wrapping a truncheon around your head."

A clearly distressed Miss Tooke can be heard warning the officers she is pregnant, while her elder son looks on crying.

On Friday, the court ruled that Ms Tooke, the mother of Dillon, four, and Kody, two, had been provoked by the heavy-handed police officers.

The chairman of the bench, Tim Claxton, told Miss Tooke: "CCTV evidence showed that both police officers verbally abused you. We feel excessive force beyond that which would have been expected in the circumstances was used by the officers and they were not acting in the execution of their duty. Your defence was necessary and proportionate to that force."

Speaking after the court case, Ms Tooke said: "I was terrified at the time and kept telling the police I was pregnant but they didn't seem to care.

"As a result I have had to go to court and I have lost my child. The police shouldn't be allowed to get away with this.

"It has been a horrific nightmare from start to finish. Being in court brought it all back to me. It made me think once again of what might have been.

"If the police had not roughly manhandled me, I'd now be sitting here with a two-month-old baby. I'm slowly coming to terms with it but it's still very hard.

"I've got a new partner now and I'm trying to get on with my life but it's not easy. I would like another child in the future but not yet."

Ms Tooke said her son Dillon will still not go near a police officer 11 months after he saw her being arrested. She added: "Because they were police officers, I never thought that I would win the case. But now I'm suing them and I would like to see the two officers struck off."

Giving evidence in court, Miss Tooke said: "PC Coombes was pulling at me like I was a piece of meat. My main concern was my baby.

"I was fearful for my baby's safety. That was I why I kicked off outside. I apologise for that, but they should be disgusted about the way they treated me.

"I told them more than enough times that I was pregnant for them to stop manhandling me."

Giving evidence, PC Coombes said: "I had a job to do and a duty, and I tried to do it to the best of my ability."

PC McFadyen told the court: "I did not touch her in any way that would have hurt the baby. When she was in the car, she said, "I'm pregnant. If I lose this baby, you will lose your job." Ms Tooke, who is just 5ft 3in tall and weighs eight stone, told the court she lost her baby at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital the day after the incident. A spokesman for the IPCC said: "We are undertaking a managed investigation into the circumstances surrounding the arrest and detention of a Norfolk woman in the early stages of pregnancy. On April 14, 2006, officers attended an address in Norwich to arrest Ms Rebecca Tooke for harassment.

"She was subsequently taken to Bethel Street police station and released later that day. The next day Ms Tooke is understood to have suffered a miscarriage.

"Following her arrest, Ms Tooke was charged with two counts of assault of a police constable. She has appeared before Norwich Magistrates Court and was found not guilty of all charges."

Len Jackson, the IPCC Commissioner, said: "Following Friday's court verdict, the IPCC will review the actions taken by these officers at the time of Ms Tooke's arrest.

"Our investigation will establish whether there are any misconduct issues to be addressed and we will identify whether there are any lessons for the force to learn from this sad case. The IPCC will then conclude its management of this matter."

The two police officers declined to comment when The Mail on Sunday approached them yesterday.

A Norfolk Police spokesman also declined to comment.

And a spokesman for the Police Federation, which represents 124,000 officers, said: "We do not wish to jeopardise any ongoing investigation by making any comment."

Last week, shocking CCTV footage was released showing 20-year- old Toni Comer being repeatedly punched by a police officer after she had been ejected from the Niche nightclub in Sheffield in July last year.

The officer involved has been 'withdrawn from public duty' and the IPCC is investigating.

The TRUTH is out there...........

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Home-grown cannabis is a booming business.

Published: 13 March 2007

Three cannabis farms are shut down every day, but police are struggling to keep pace with the boom in home-grown production of the drug. More than 60 per cent of the marijuana now smoked in Britain is cultivated in this country, compared with just 11 per cent a decade ago. The plant is grown everywhere from inner-city lofts to secluded patches of farmland.

An investigation by the charity DrugScope has found that growing cannabis is a big business in Britain and that Vietnamese gangs have a stranglehold on the illicit trade.

Over the past six months, cannabis farms have been raided at the rate of three a day. More than 1,500 have been discovered in London alone in the past two years, three times as many as in the previous two years.

Police have tended to focus on the production of "skunk", one of the most potent forms of cannabis, containing higher than average quantities of the potentially dangerous chemical THC. The research also belies the old image of cannabis users growing a handful of plants on their windowsill, with police saying they are recovering an average of 400 plants per raid.

The problem for police is that growers only need lights, fans and plant pots to set up in business. Baths are commonly used as nurseries, with plants also crammed into attics, cellars, bathrooms and summer-houses.

Gangs are also renting units on industrial estates in an effort to disguise the large amounts of electricity needed for marijuana cultivation. Police, who often use hand-held or helicopter-mounted heat-seeking devices to detect illicit crops, found cannabis farm where the lights were wired up to the street lights outside. Another tactic is to sow seeds on other people's land and to return three months later to harvest it.

Many of the gangs opt for fast-growing plants rather than skunk because of the rapid profits they can produce.

DrugScope reports that between two-thirds and three-quarters of the farms raided by police - ranging from south Wales to the North-east - were run by Vietnamese gangs.

Many growers, some of whom are as young as 15, are illegal immigrants forced by the gangs which smuggled them into the country to live in cramped conditions. Police found them living in cupboards, tiny utility rooms and lofts, in order to maximise the space for plants.

Fifty cannabis farms were discovered in London last year following house fires caused by faulty lights or wiring.

Harry Shapiro, director of communications at DrugScope, said: "Growing cannabis commercially near the point of sale can dramatically increase profits, but this increases the risk of detection. There are significant implications for police resources in trying to keep up with the growers, who are becoming increasingly smart in establishing new farms and avoiding arrest."

DrugScope said the surge in cannabis growth in Britain has filled the gap left by the disillusionment of users with the quality of imported cannabis resin. The amount of the drug produced in Morocco, previously a prime source of the UK's supply, has almost halved following an eradication scheme.

More than three million Britons are believed to use cannabis regularly, a higher proportion than elsewhere in Europe.

It typically costs £30 to £80 per ounce of resin, £35 to £110 for herbal cannabis, rising to £160 for marijuana of the highest quality.

Recent drugs raids

* 8 FEBRUARY Police uncover 250 to 300 small cannabis plants in a barn at Devauden, Gwent.

* 23 FEBRUARY Manchester police arrest eight people and seize hundreds of plants in raids on three addresses in Chorlton.

* 27 FEBRUARY More than 200 plants are discovered by police making a routine inquiry at a home in Leeds. They investigated after smelling cannabis.

* 3 MARCH About 200 plants worth £44,000 seized at a house in Chatham, Kent. In the past five months 20 nearby farms have been shut down.

* 5 MARCH Police find about 1,000 plants, worth about £200,000, at a home in Forfar, Angus.

* 6 MARCH The landlord of a Bolton property finds hundreds of plants after the electricity supply to an adjoining property fails.


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Ecstasy tablets
Ecstasy use is widespread

The drug classification system in the UK is not "fit for purpose" and should be scrapped, scientists have said.

They have drawn up an alternative system which they argue more accurately reflects the harm that drugs do.

The new ranking system places alcohol and tobacco in the upper half of the league table, ahead of cannabis and several Class A drugs such as ecstasy.

The study, published in The Lancet, has been welcomed by a team reviewing drug research for the government.

The Academy of Medical Sciences group plans to put its recommendations to ministers in the autumn.

A new commission is also due to undertake a three-year review of general government drug policy.

The new system has been developed by a team led by Professor David Nutt, from the University of Bristol, and Professor Colin Blakemore, chief executive of the Medical Research Council.

It assesses drugs on the harm they do to the individual, to society and whether or not they induce dependence.

A panel of experts were asked to rate 20 different drugs on nine individual categories, which were combined to produce an overall estimate of harm.

In order to provide familiar benchmarks, five legal drugs, including tobacco and alcohol were included in the assessment. Alcohol was rated the fifth most dangerous substance, and tobacco ninth.

Heroin was rated as the most dangerous drug, followed by cocaine and barbiturates. Ecstasy, however, rated only 18th, while cannabis was 11th.

Arbitrary ranking

Class A
Magic mushrooms
Crystal meth (pending)
Class A/B
Class C
Crystal meth to be Class A

The researchers said the current ABC system was too arbitrary, and failed to give specific information about the relative risks of each drug.

It also gave too much importance to unusual reactions, which would only affect a tiny number of users.

Professor Nutt said people were not deterred by scare messages, which simply served to undermine trust in warnings about the danger of drugs.

He said: "The current system is not fit for purpose. Let's treat people as adults. We should have a much more considered debate how we deal with dangerous drugs."

He highlighted the fact that one person a week in the UK dies from alcohol poisoning, while less than 10 deaths a year are linked to ecstasy use.

Professor Blakemore said it was clear that current drugs' policies were not working.

"We face a huge problem. Illegal substances have never been more easily available, or more widely abused."

He said the beauty of the new system, unlike the current version, was that it could easily be updated to reflect new research.

Professor Leslie Iversen, a member of the Academy of Medical Sciences group considering drug policy, said the new system was a "landmark paper".

He said: "It is a real step towards evidence-based classification of drugs."

Professor Iversen said the fact that 500,000 young people routinely took ecstasy every weekend proved that current drug policy was in need of reform.

Home Office Minister Vernon Coaker said: "We have no intention of reviewing the drug classification system.

"Our priority is harm reduction and to achieve this we focus on enforcement, education and treatment."

He said there had been "unparalleled investment" of £7.5 billion since 1998, which had contributed to a 21% reduction in overall drug misuse in the last nine years and a fall of 20% in drug related crime since 2004.

But he added: "The government is not complacent and will continue to work with all of our partners to build on this progress."

Drug rankings
Benzodiazepines: Wide-ranging class of prescription tranquilisers
Buprenorphine: Opioid drug used in treatment of opiate addiction
4-MTA: Amphetamine derivative sold as 'flatliners' and ecstasy
Methylphenidate: Amphetamine-like drug used to treat ADHD
Alkyl nitrites: Stimulant often called amyl nitrites or 'poppers'

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