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I think it was an agreement that whilst he was off posing with wee lassies his misses was being consoled by one of his old police handlers, such an irony indeed


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im sure now even that hes dead, and the fact that he died of a heart attack somebody is gony make up a theory ie murder, gangland hit ect mybe the police did it to stop him talking about aw the fine officers he had in his pocket for all those years haha


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im sure now even that hes dead, and the fact that he died of a heart attack somebody is gony make up a theory ie murder, gangland hit ect mybe the police did it to stop him talking about aw the fine officers he had in his pocket for all those years haha


forget conspiracy theories...that roach is brown bread....believe me the talk is already going on who gets his "empire" no doubt the jeweller will keep a lot going or snadz her brother,they know how to keep things running but do they know how to defend themselves from the predators waiting in the wings making plans right now to take some of their turf.... give it time but i think the jeweller might sell up the legit businesses and go abroad leaving snadz to control the illegal side but can he and mc graws deathbed mate run mc graws empire without the help that the strathclyde police gave mc graw over the years...
 
 
I mean reading he record and the sun yesterday you would think he was some kind of godfather at times,although it was great to hear healy was putting a party on to celebrate,lol.Front page covergae but did you notice how many charges and cases he was walked from like the healy one when healy got screwed over by his so called comrade?Made my fuckin week so it did,excuse the french.Cheers


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FISCAL ORDERS POST MORTEM ON GANGSTER.

GANGLAND godfather Tam McGraw's death is to be investigated - to put a stop to rumours he was assassinated.

Underworld figures have been speculating the feared "Licensee", who died at his home on Monday, was the victim of a conspiracy.

But now the Crown Office have ordered a post mortem to be carried out tomorrow on the body of the 54-year-old multimillionaire criminal.

One gangland source said last night: "When we heard McGraw was dead, everyone assumed he had been murdered.

"No one believed for a minute that he had died peacefully in his sleep.

"When we heard it could have been a heart attack, we thought he must have been poisoned or something like that.

"At least the post mortem will reveal once and for all how he really died and put all those rumours about murder and conspiracy theories to rest.

"For many of us, a heart attack seemed too merciful for a gangster who had killed countless people and lived his life on a knife-edge.

"Everyone expected him to take his last breath in a hail of bullets, not to slip away in his sleep.

"If the cause of death is a heart attack, the family can put him to rest and get on with their lives."

A Crown Office spokesman confirmed: "A post mortem will be carried out on Friday."

Paramedics tried to revive McGraw when he was found collapsed at his home in Mount Vernon, in Glasgow's east end.

But he was pronounced dead on arrival at the city's Royal Infirmary.

His funeral, which is likely to be on Monday, is sure to be packed out with a rogues' gallery of Scotland's toughest gangsters.

Loyalist terror chief Johnny "Mad Dog" Adair, an old friend and ally in the drugs trade who is now based in Ayrshire, is expected to turn up.

McGraw built a £30million empire on the misery caused by drugs, investing his profits in a number of legitimate ventures including property, ice cream vans and taxis.

These were largely handled by his wife Margaret, her brother John "Snads" Adams and son William "Winky" McGraw.Many of McGraw's secret assets are detailed on a missing laptop computer.

It was owned by fellow villain Stewart "Speccy" Boyd, who helped launder McGraw's fortune through his base in Spain.

But the laptop, believed to hold the key to hidden assets of £15million, has been missing since Boyd died in a fireball car crash in 2003.

It is believed the computer may now be in the possession of a former trusted Boyd associate who has been the victim of at least two underworld assassination attempts in recent years.

The man was shot in the head in one incident and blasted in the legs some time later.

The shootings were ordered by McGraw, who was concerned that the man had been revealing details of his business with Boyd.

The man is understood to be in hiding in Paisley and McGraw's associates are desperate to find him alive to get their hands on the passwords and codes needed to access McGraw's fortune - and assets belonging to other major criminals.

A source said: "He is off his head with worry that he will be captured and tortured for the information.

"He is still in the country at present but trying to work out an escape plan."


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A little history on glasgows most hated cardboard gangster...or should i say police gangster?I liked the front page of todays sun,it showed you joe hanlons gravesite and his wife(sharon) had been to it and drank half a bottle of 'moet' and left the other half on the grave along with white flowers and a message for her late husband saying "the worlds a stage Joe Bhoy" and another read "Forever always and ever i'll carry you with pride".

BTW forgive me for being totally ignorant,but WHY was McGraw a pallbearer at Joes funeral?(or was it bobbys?)I assume it was cos at that time the family had no idea that McGraw was instrumental in the "displaying" of the bodies at his pub,the demolished caravel?

Its just summit i always wondered about and noted that Paul had never mentioned it in his book,Hmm i wonder if McGraw would still have been in attendance if Paul wasnt on remand at the time eh?Cheers

 

 

Tam McGraw


Glasgow 'crime boss', Tam 'The Licensee' McGraw, has died 'of a heart attack' in Glasgow.

McGraw owned security companies, taxi firms, pubs, and a property portfolio in Scotland, Ireland and Spain worth 'at least £10m'. McGraw's empire is said to be worth £30 million in total. (In Scotland it has been estimated that 47% of individuals are earning under £10,000 per year.)

Allegedly, McGraw's main income came from the sale of heroin and cocaine. It has been claimed that McGraw was backed by corrupt police officers, who passed on confiscated drugs which McGraw then sold on the streets. - Gangster reign of The Licensee brought to end by heart attack / GANGSTER NO1 IS DEAD'

After one failed robbery, McGraw was arrested while trying to flee on foot. Charges were dropped and he was released the following morning. (According to the Mail on Sunday, 29 January 2006, only 3% of crimes in Scotland result in convictions.)

One of the McGraw family businesses, the Caravel pub, was suddenly bulldozed after the police learnt that it had played a role in the deaths of Joe "Bananas" Hanlon and Bobby Glover. The demolition prevented a planned forensic investigation. - An inglorious end to the shadowy life of a feared gangland criminal

Reg McKay, in The Daily Record, 29 August 2005, reported that a street brawl between police left people scrutinising the cosy relationship between the Licensee (McGraw) and 'his police officer pals.'

"One of the Serious Crime Squad grabbed McGraw and tried to take him away from his Scottish Crime Squad captors. Tug of war was on. Then one man threw a punch and bedlam broke out with police wrestling, kicking and butting each other as McGraw stood in the middle of the battle totally ignored.
"Locals gathered for the best entertainment they'd had in years. Duelling rozzers. One or two joined in, taking the chance of a free swipe at a copper. Eventually peace was restored and the two police outfits went into confab. Whatever was said, the handcuffs were unlocked and Thomas McGraw walked back to his flat, a free man once again."

The Daily Record wrote: "Local uniforms and CID could often be found sitting in the McGraws' home drinking tea and smoking.

"When McGraw bought The Caravel pub, certain well-known detectives were in regularly, drinking heavily and never putting their hand in their pockets. It was too cosy."  
 
McGraw was a friend of loyalist (Northern Irish protestant) terror chief Johhny 'Mad Dog' Adair. 'Both men were deeply involved in the drug trade between Scotland and Ulster (Northern ireland)' ( McGRAW: PETTY THIEF TO A £30M FORTUNE HOW DRUG-DEALING )
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According to the Daily record: "Deals between crime boss Tam McGraw and the IRA saw a unit of republican heavies travel to Glasgow at The Licensee's expense to protect him... (summer of 2002) when hitmen were said to be lining up an assassination attempt." Daily Record - Scottish News - PART TWO OF A DAILY RECORD SPECIAL ...
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A rival to McGraw was Arther Thompson. Former 'Glasgow godfather' Thompson reportedly was selling guns to the UVF (Ulster Volunteer Force). "He got caught, and decided to turn grass for MI5. They then told him he could pretty much start the drugs trade in Glasgow." - Donal MacIntyre - erutufonnofuture
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Rod “Popeye” McLean was 'a ruthless killer and international drug baron'. Reportedly, McLean worked for the British security services - MI5 and MI6. - Ecosse: My killer uncle
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Who was McGraw really working for?

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There's a bit about the laptop thing in today's Greenock Telegraph about it being connected to Martin Toner's killing in 2004 but i cant find it on the site to c&p!!  too much typin there!

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"One of the Serious Crime Squad grabbed McGraw and tried to take him away from his Scottish Crime Squad captors. Tug of war was on.
 
Then one man threw a punch and bedlam broke out with police wrestling, kicking and butting each other as McGraw stood in the middle of the battle totally ignored.
 
"Locals gathered for the best entertainment they'd had in years. Duelling rozzers. One or two joined in, taking the chance of a free swipe at a copper.
 
Eventually peace was restored and the two police outfits went into confab. Whatever was said, the handcuffs were unlocked and Thomas McGraw walked back to his flat, a free man once again."

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Don't know if the team have read this, I have included a link for you.
 
http://gangstersinc.tripod.com/McGraw.html

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Thanks bill mate  The link was already on a very early post so nice one as its very topical at present  (As you no doubt will have read0


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Goodbye to Glasgow's Godfather.

"NO ONE really thought it would end like this. Everyone expected a bullet, a knife or a bat. For him to go the way he did seems a bit of a cop-out."

The pensioner sipping his pint of 80/ at the bar knew he was right.

For three decades, the name Tam "the Licensee" McGraw has been inexorably linked with Glasgow and its underworld.

This week, Glasgow is expected to witness its last truly great underworld funeral. No announcement has been made about where or when it will be but expectation of thousands lining the streets is high.

Strathclyde Police are remaining tight-lipped about their former number one adversary. A force spokesman denied knowing anything about the funeral, alleging that their only interest in it would be "traffic management".

But behind the scenes, police have held a series of high-level meetings to ensure the event passes off without recrimination from McGraw's rivals.

While many lining the funeral route will just be curious onlookers, others know that they will have to make sure they are seen to be paying their final respects to the man whom they once feared.

These petty criminals understand that their presence will be noted and any absentees are going to have to have a very good reason as to why they were not present at the farewell.

Because, despite McGraw's criminal influence being on the wane for the past few years, his name and associates still carry a considerable amount of weight among the seedier members of society.

His organisation has been split up among criminal players who still hold on to a sort of code where respect is central.

McGraw was killed by a heart attack last Monday as he sat in his home in the city's Mount Vernon district. An unexpectedly quiet end for a hoodlum who came to personify the brutality of Glasgow's criminality.

His funeral will undoubtedly be contrasted with the final journey of one of his infamous predecessor's, Arthur Thompson snr in 1993.

He was the man who, in the Sixties, came to be synonymous with the term "Godfather".

According to legend, it was Thompson snr who single-handedly turned back the Krays when they arrived at Glasgow Central Station in order to take over the city.

McGraw never had that aura although his name was, over three decades, to become equally familiar to the citizens of Glasgow.

But the main reason McGraw became infamous was the repeated but always unsubstantiated claims that he was a police informant.

This, it is rumoured, is how he acquired his nicknamed, the Licensee, because he was licensed by Glasgow's finest to do what he wanted.

Born Thomas McGrow - he thought McGraw easier to pronounce - in Lennoxtown on the outskirts of Glasgow, he had, by the age of 12 already become a petty thief and shoplifter.

Not physically strong, he was a smart individual who soon realised that his organisational skills could be just as important as a fist.

He was behind the formation of the Bar-L team, a notorious squad of armed robbers - named after the Barlanark area of Glasgow from where most of them originated - who targeted post offices throughout the west of Scotland during the 1970s.

It was around this time that he acquired the name the Licensee. Following a botched raid on a social club, McGraw was arrested and it seemed was destined for an appearance in the High Court, but within days he had been released without charge and nothing more was ever heard of the matter.

However, he was in the dock in 1978 when he was accused of attempting to murder a policeman but the trial ended in him walking from the High Court in Glasgow a free man after the jury acquitted him.

It was then that McGraw began to move up in the criminal world and began broadening his contacts.

Drugs were becoming in vogue and never one to miss an opportunity, the Licensee took full advantage.

In 1998, he was charged along with a number of others, including his brother-in-law, John Healy, after police seized cannabis worth £260,000 hidden on board a boys' football team bus.

McGraw stood trial but walked on a not-proven verdict. Healy was not so lucky and was jailed for 10 years, prompting a feud which lasted until the day McGraw died.

One of McGraw's most ardent critics has been Paul Ferris, perhaps the most infamous criminal character in Scotland since Thompson snr.

A one-time heavy for Thompson, he stood trial for the murder of the Godfather's son, Arthur jnr, known to everyone as "Fatboy", who was shot dead in 1991.

The night before Arthur jnr's funeral, two of Ferris' pals, Joe "Bananas" Hanlon and Bobby Glover, were shot dead in an apparent revenge attack.

According to underworld sources, the victims' bodies were personally mutilated by Thompson snr at The Caravel bar in Barlanark - owned and run by McGraw. Within hours of the desecrations taking place, the pub had mysteriously burned to the ground.

McGraw was also implicated in the so-called "Ice Cream Wars", which resulted in the deaths of six members of the Doyle family, who burned to death in their home in Glasgow's Ruchazie district in 1984.

Never charged, the Licensee's name was never far away from the murders whenever they were discussed.

With every episode and every judicial escape, McGraw's name and status was increased. His power, wherever it came from, seemed to be all-encompassing and by his very reputation new opportunities would present themselves.

Always careful to keep well away from whichever illegal commodity he was involved with, whether it be drugs, firearms or money-laundering, McGraw came to believe in his own invincibility.

But crime, like any business, is a constantly moving and changing world, and the time of the old-style crime lord, relying on reputation and the threat of force, was beginning to alter.

The police, too, were starting to get wise to McGraw and the constant claims that he was "in their pocket" were becoming an irritant.

A new breed of policeman, university-educated, untainted by the streets, began to emerge and the presence of the Licensee and what he stood for was about to end.

He became one of the main targets for the then newly formed Scottish Crime and Drug Enforcement Agency, which quickly realised that hitting criminals in the pocket was the most efficient way of targeting them.

His assets were frozen, his front companies used to "clean" his dirty cash were closed down and his associates who were less fortunate at avoiding the law were rounded up and put behind bars.

People began to see him not as "untouchable" and imperious but just a middle-aged criminal whose time was coming to an end.

When Glasgow says farewell to McGraw, it will undoubtedly be an occasion of kitsch, excess and the surreal - and the city is unlikely to see the likes of it again.

 



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Colin B, Bearsden / 1:30am 5 Aug 2007

High time there was an investigation by an outside body into why Strathclyde Police and Glasgow and Strathkelvin Procurator Fiscal did not prefer more charges against the late Mr McGraw . The smell of Police corruption will linger on until this boil is lanced.

'Hezza / 1:36am 5 Aug 2007

good ridance. I fully expect he is being tortured by dwarfs dressed in wee red outfits as I write. If not, I want my collection money back.

Boy Wonder / 1:44am 5 Aug 2007

Good riddance to bad rubbish!

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KaiPie / 2:23am 5 Aug 2007

One of the great unwashed goes to the fiery Barlinnine.
Burn baby burn.

KaiPie / 2:24am 5 Aug 2007

^^Oops, should read Barlinnie

Dr Who / 3:07am 5 Aug 2007

Colin B

There should be an permanent independant body put in place to exam all Scottish Police, All forms of Scottish Government and its employees, and the law system. Oh by the way they would need a huge department just to investigate the Labour Party corruption of the last fifty years.

If we had a more honest system there would not be such a big problem with drugs and crime. If the cops dont know who the drug pushers are in their area my old fella would be a kipper.

Tam O' Shanter / 6:28am 5 Aug 2007

McGraw had the polis in his pocket for years.
They were every bit as guilty as him.
Hope the fekker is roasting slowly doonstairs.

Calum Mac / 8:05am 5 Aug 2007

#1 And inappropriate social and business links by senior and ex-senior police officers and members of the justice system to highly influential criminals is not confined to the western end of the M8 either!
A more robust system of dealing with higher level links is needed. Any abuse of power or position is criminal.

ex katman 2, ex sudan / 8:09am 5 Aug 2007

I would like to pour a bottle of whisky over his coffin, but i would drink it first.

eric, Lothian / 8:17am 5 Aug 2007

Who was this nobody

Douglas, Bathgate / 8:32am 5 Aug 2007

I'm sure he was "firm but fair" and good to his mammy.

Kenny A, Close to the South Shetlands / 8:42am 5 Aug 2007

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Hope so , and may they be bloody big dwarfs at that.

Swilly Tisher, Loch Maree / 10:03am 5 Aug 2007

Hang on fellows ; stop the cortege. I'm busy polishing my spats and my violin case. This is one funeral I wouldn't miss for all the tea in China or all the crack cocaine in Colinton.Oh, and I'll take a Glasgow Corporation bus to the venue - just in case I find a ticking alarm clock under my car seat.

aka.audi oo7, yep fae eastend how did ye guess? / 10:12am 5 Aug 2007

bad polis bad lawyers ops i mean liers?? did yous lot get that also bad goverment policies as well
all mps lier lier pants on fire the lot ov them..
the goverment need to get there act together they go on about terrorist as such and they turn a blind eye about what goes on in glasgow itself ( truth be told) and iam not a reporter coes if i was i say much worse i do pity the families how have suffered on both sides with gangland war.is this what we want for our furture children i think not. kids losing there lives just to see how tough they are though so called friends kids getting knived and done in yep its your goverment i blame.bring back the belt for these wee upstarts as well i thank you

The Hiker, Aberdeen / 11:20am 5 Aug 2007

#15;
Gees, I think you need to spend some money on English lessons, then we all may, perhaps, be able to get a clue as what the hell you're on about!!!!

Do they no hae skools in glesca?

The 'Menace', 'Edinburgh' / 12:42pm 5 Aug 2007

#15....Aka;,What a waste o' breath you are!.
I lived in Cranhill/Ruchazie,n,Easterhouse,in
the 60s-till 89',n,then landed here!,not my
choice,but,now!,Glad I am,as my Out-laws,
back in Carntyne,every time I visit,about
once a month,there's hoodlums hanging about,
not hiding the fact they ARE!,Young guys,n,
teenage girls,eyeing-up my car,with intent,soon
as it's dark,theyr'e shouting...Wer'e having'it',
Pal??..assaults galore,housebreaking is everyda
y happening,shootings,and,of course,the Druggies!
Ok!,we 'know',there's o such thing as Posh,nowadays,,n,I live in a 3 apt. Council-house,n,
proud to say,Iv'e great neighbours,who,like myself,enjoy life,living among 'Common' working
folk!,but,sad to say,Glasgow's over-the-hill,as far as I'm concerned!,I can live with Edinburgh!,a little knowledge!,,etc,,

aka.audi oo7, glasgow / 12:53pm 5 Aug 2007

i will only say this once? the system which is the goverment is corrupted there are just as bad as the criminals most of the criminals get away with alot through underhanded lying lawyers?? which criminals have paid them through blood money??
i dont have any trust in the system anymore
or any goverment agencys
its innocent people and children that get harmed through this..
whether it be gangland war through famly via family
or little teenages comming wide to defeanless people of the public iam sick of this goverment get something done( gordon bloody brown??)

JuanKerr, Edimbra..... / 1:19pm 5 Aug 2007

#2 - well said lol

Its unfortunately people turning out to this low lifes funeral that will perpetuate the next generation of gawkit brained neds. They will view it as some badge of honour, with irony that people are mainly their to spit and marvel at the pikey type cavelcade.

If they were cockroaches they would be exterminated. I hope thousands turn out and and set about the cortege for all the years of heroin, rape, abuse, extortion and lack of progress each decent person has suffered, As a result of their actions Giving the Previously noncharged persons an amnesty to kick the crap or stone the ensembled for the years of misery they inflicted.

That would be a fitting end for these types.

JuanKerr, Edimbra..... / 1:22pm 5 Aug 2007

See the folk that run the football teams, drop in centres, Outreach workers etc

Will thousands line the streets for them?

KW, Glasgow / 1:44pm 5 Aug 2007

#18 " i will only say this once? "

I rather think you would only have breath to say it once for fear of passing out at the dearth of punctuation marks:-)

I have no time for Gangsters. It worries me that JuanKerr (just got the pun:-) is right, that those who contribute good in the world go un-noticed and un-remembered. What kind of society are we that rewards bad behaviour.

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Paul Mack, Mandela Towers, Hades. / 4:43pm 5 Aug 2007

I thought I was alone in sharing Robespierre's injunction, 'Anyone who fails to consider the judiciary capable of corruption is failing in their duty as a citizen'.
To all the above, I can't say thank you, often enough. Stay diligent and always scrutinise the decisions of the three estates.
'For evil to succeed all good people need do is nothing'

JuanKerr, Edimbra... / 4:59pm 5 Aug 2007

#23- Robespierre's injunction - Also states. That to permit Clemency is barbarity.
In order to disaude our young from this course shurely it is up to society to come out of it's hiding and show these scum. Non violently.That their action should only attract derision. Posters on the route, Boo's hisses, mocking, Mibbe even a clown parade following the cortege!

look at paul ferris for example. Last seen on TV all fat and puffy in a shell suite. Nutured and alone. His henchemen beaten and in a yesterdays hero spiral.

The epole w e should be applauding, no matter how hocum it sounds are the folk who make a difference.

The Drug workers, The community workers, the people on council schemes who make a difference.

Sod the card board gangsters. In any other part of the world they would be the food and crying for their mammies.

Their gang bosses should send them too sierra leon for a bit of training. See how many come back!

JuanKerr, Edimbra......... / 5:01pm 5 Aug 2007

christ my keyboard is clogged with fagash!

PC McGarry#452, 999 Letsby Avenue / 7:53pm 5 Aug 2007

#1: It's actually PROFFER not PREFER charges. Don't go in the huff. Lots of cops get it wrong as well.

Alf K. / 8:01pm 5 Aug 2007

I reckon that mcgraw must have been an honest straight business man. Surely if he was not the brilliant brains in our police service and forensic accounting department of HM customs and excise would have had him in gaol. Amazing also how a moralising and campaigning red top would pay another thieving lowlife for his story to blaze over their front page about his affair with the dearly departed. Proud to be Scottish, I wish.

nell from falkirk / 8:57pm 5 Aug 2007

#6 PC - sorry, but #1 is right enough;
"prefer" is correct, from the Latin "praeferre", to carry.
It means "to file, prosecute, or offer for consideration or resolution before a magistrate, court, or other legal authority".

"proffer" means to offer for acceptance.

Colin B, Bearsden / 9:23pm 5 Aug 2007

Thanks Nell - PC McGarry -is that your shoulder number? you need to go on a course methinks. My word, haven't standards in the police slipped?
Don't worry PC McGarry you will not be sacked - ineffective memebrs of the constabulary are normally promoted


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THE funeral of notorious gangster Tam McGraw will take place tomorrow.

The 55-year-old crimelord, who was known as the Licensee, died at his luxury home in Glasgow's East End last Monday after a suspected heart attack.

His funeral will be at Daldowie Crematorium, near his Mount Vernon home, at 1.30pm.

A feared member of the ciy's underworld for the past 30 years, McGraw was linked to crimes including murder, drug trafficking and extortion.
 
However he had not been convicted of an offence for more than 20 years.
 
Strathclyde Police know why, so do we.

SEE ALSO
 
Gangland 'Licensee' McGraw dies
30 Jul 07 |  Glasgow and West
 
'Licensee' McGraw's life of crime
30 Jul 07 |  Glasgow and West
 
Not proven verdicts over shooting
03 Feb 06 |  Scotland
 
Miscarriage admission 'not enough'
25 Mar 04 |  Scotland
 
'Licensee' knifed in street
08 May 02 |  Scotland
 
Ice Cream War apology demanded
19 Mar 04 |  Scotland

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Good riddance to the worthless piece of shit, I hope it was painful


Thats gotta be a contender for best quote of the week.Nae baws McGraw finally departed,crack open the dom...

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McGraw never had that aura although his name was, over three decades, to become equally familiar to the citizens of Glasgow.

But the main reason McGraw became infamous was the repeated but always unsubstantiated claims that he was a police informant.

This, it is rumoured, is how he acquired his nicknamed, the Licensee, because he was licensed by Glasgow's finest to do what he wanted.


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A lawyer attended the funeral of a rich man. A friend, arriving late, took a seat beside him and whispered, "How far has the service gone?"

The lawyer nodded toward the clergyman in the pulpit and whispered back, "He just opened for the defense."


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