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Hi Admin2 & Hammer6... thanks for your posts.  I found the previous post regarding Deepcut very interesting, although sad that these young men and women have had their lives taken from them.  When Deepcut first came to light, Admin had serious doubts about the verdicts of suicide, and the last post, 'The Chronology of Deepcut' only strengthens my opinion.   It would certainly seem that the Dark Forces are everywhere....


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Admin, The HMF are yet another law unto themselves, in a documentary last year a Coroner stated that the male soldier who died with several shots to his head couldn't have possibly done it himself.This is a system that is even more untouchable than the police,a system that IS truelly untouchable...so far.These families have a very long hard battle themselves to uncover the truth to what happened to their children.We can only wish them luck.steeleyma

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Hi Steeleyma... thanks for your post with regards to the Deepcut affair.  We can only begin to  imagine what the families of these children who had their lives taken so tragically must be going through, in order to uncover the truth. 

 

As I mentioned in my previous post, from the day that Deepcut and all these 'suicides' came to light, I doubted it from the start.  One death, perhaps, but several?  Particularly when a coroner himself has stated that the cause of death could not have been one of suicide. 

 

I'm sure I speak for many when I say that our deepest sympathies are with the families of all the Deepcut victims, as it is with all the men and women who are currently in prison, having been wrongfully convicted by some dark force or another. 

 

We at http://www.ferrisconspiracy.com will continue in our mission to uncover the corruption that goes on within all parts of the system, and one day, justice WILL be done. 


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Thought i may add ref HMF, i know personally of two instances of two separate cases of individual cases who'd been caught downloading pornography of despicable type,which was hush-hushed and the two individuals were just transfered elsewhere,also the families involved could do not a damn thing about it.Disrepute is not a word in the HMF dictionary.Sickening!,steeleyma

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With regards to your above post Steeleyma, I don't think the word 'disrepute' exists in many of the systems in this country, if it exists at all - particularly those that are meant to uphold the law.


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Well admin wot can i say to that other than you've stated exactly wot were all here for the 'TRUTH', well said! xxxsteeleyma

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Thank you Steeleyma...  that's what we're here for, and we won't rest until the TRUTH comes out.  I certainly ain't going anywhere.


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DEEPCUT DARK FORCES: THE CHRONOLOGY
 
March 2006 - An open verdict in the death of Pte Collinson is returned after an inquest at Epsom Magistrates' Court. The jury heard that minutes before his death he had borrowed an SA80 rifle, which he was too young to carry under Deepcut rules.


Bilko finds the above statement one of many that don't ring true with regard to the DEEPCUT deaths. Having some experience albeit somewhat limited of military regulations i know enough to be certain that to lend one's weapon to ANYONE is a complete no-no in the Army. One must NEVER part himself from his weapon, a soldier eats, sleeps and sh*ts with his weapon by his side. Each weapon is numbered, each individual signs for his weapon when withdrawing it from the armoury.

To be seen without your weapon by a superior can result in a charge or at least a severe reprimand. If anyone were to ask for a 'loan' of your weapon you would be highly suspicious, in case the individual was going to somehow get you into strife with the squad leader, or Sargent by hiding it or pulling some other such prank.

In short, no one parts with their weapon, I find the fact the kid was suppose to have 'borrowed' the SA80 hard to believe. Bilko

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Hi Bilko, Very well spotted but tell me how did these rules regarding keeping your weapon with you at all times not become a relevant factor within the investigation itself.

 

As a non-military man I have no knowledge whatsoever in this field and would like to understand the army procedures regarding the authority on such matters such as M.O.D. criteria.

 

I am sure that I am not alone in asking for this especially from someone who is in the know like yourself.

 

Your post has already added to my own suspicion that these deaths were indeed MURDERS!


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Extract from the British Armed Forces book of Queens Regulations.

PART 4 - FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION

(for instructions concerning storage and accounting )

Possession of Firearms

J5.151.

a. Members of the armed forces, while serving, are exempt from the requirements of the Firearms Act 1968 as amended by the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 only in respect of firearms or ammunition held by them in their capacity as members of the forces. Personnel are to take care to comply with the provisions of that Act in respect of any privately owned firearms or ammunition in their possession. (See to this Chapter.)

b. (Army only) An officer or soldier is forbidden to carry, hold, or use a Service firearm except in connection with his duty as an officer or soldier, or to have Service ammunition in his possession unless authorised.

Issue of Ammunition

5.152. Ammunition may be issued on the authority of the commanding officer for operations, training, guards and, when necessary, to escorts provided for arms and ammunition. It may also be issued when specially authorised by the GOC. For training purposes live ammunition is not to be issued if blank or drill ammunition or dummy loads will meet the need. An officer or warrant officer is to be made responsible for the issue of ammunition.Safety Precautions

5.153. When an officer or soldier is in possession of Service firearms or ammunition he is [U]personally to exercise special care over maintenance, the prevention of damage, and security from theft. He is also responsible for preventing unauthorised discharge by ensuring that firearms and ammunition in his possession are at all times handled according to current instructions. He is not to tamper with either firearms or ammunition, nor except in emergency conditions is he to use any combination of firearms or ammunition except those in which he has been trained.[/B]

5.154. When a firearm has been isued for a duty it is to be inspected, together with any ammunition which has also been issued, by an officer or warrant officer (or, at the commanding officer's discretion, an NCO) at the end of the duty or at least once every 24 hours in longer periods of continuous duty.

5.155. Before soldiers are dismissed from any duty for which ammunition has been issued, an officer or warrant officer (or, at the discretion of the commanding officer, an NCO) is to be made responsible for the withdrawal of any which remains unexpended together with accountable used components, and for their return to store. Where the ammunition cannot be returned to store he is to satisfy himself that the arrangements for its safety and security are adequate. On all occasions he is to carry out such inspections as are necessary to enable him to render a certificate on AF B 159. He is in particular to make certain that no ammunition remains in firearms, magazines, pouches or other containers and, having reminded all concerned that to retain ammunition is an offence, he is to order each man to declare verbally at the time of individual inspection whether he has any ammunition or accountable components remaining in his possession. When vehicles have been used he is to ensure that no ammunition or accountable used components remain in them unless he is satisfied that the arrangements for their safety and security are adequate. In the case of fighting vehicles the inspection is to include armaments, deflector chutes, and receptacles or storage areas, both internal and external. A similar procedure for inspection is to be applied when ships, aircraft or hovercraft have been used.

5.156.

a. Firearms are to be stored separately from ammunition. Drill ammunition may only be used with live ammunition as specifically laid down in infantry training pamphlets. In all other cases drill ammunition is to be kept separate from live ammunition, including blank, both in storage and in use.

b. When ball ammunition is to be issued after blank ammunition has been used, the following procedure is to take place before the issue of ball ammunition:

(1). All blank ammunition is to be withdrawn together with adaptor appliances where applicable.

(2).{b} Weapons are to be inspected and declarations are to be obtained as in para above that soldiers have no blank ammunition or components in their possession.{/B]

c. The same procedure is to be followed when blank ammunition is issued after ball.

5.157. Commanding officers are to ensure that firearms and ammunition on their charge are inspected at least once a month. Responsibility for security of firearms and ammunition in storage or transit is dealt with in para .

5.158 - 5.180. Reserved.

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The Moderator would like to thank Bilko for the fine post that clearly clarifies the code of conduct in relation to a soldiers duty regarding the use of FIREARMS.

 

Any other views on this subject will be of importance for the furtherance of this debate as these were not SUICIDES.


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Thanks hammer6, Section 5.153 has particular significance, since it states in the DEEPCUT post that the jury heard that the young soldier who died had earlier borrowed a fellow soldiers weapon.

Section 5.153 clearly states that this would therefore have been s direct contravention of Queens regulations on behalf of the soldier who lent his weapon, the death would in fact be indirectly due to his negligence, as far as i am aware this soldier wasn't court marshaled although i am not 100% sure on this, anyone else know if this soldier faced any disciplinary action? If not, why not? Or is this a tale concocted by the top brass? Something smells here.

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Indeed Bilko something is not quite right here and anyone with any thoughts or information on this debate please feel free to post your views.

 

Thank you for the update on the relevant sections.


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Hi Bilko... thanks for your excellent post on the Extract from the British Armed Forces book of Queen's Regulations - very interesting reading indeed, and Admin fully concurs with hammer6, in that I look forward to the debates that your posted article may create.


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Well today we hear there is to be no public enquiry into the deepcut deaths......Now there's a f*ckin surprise eh? Not!
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