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THURSDAY 27th APRIL 9PM CHANNEL 4 DISPATCHES:UNDERCOVER COPPER. As Britain's police forces experience the greatest period of upheaval since the 1960s, Dispatches goes undercover to examine the hidden face of policing today.


 

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Nice one Magpie as I was hearing something about programme and should indeed be an eye-opener

 

UNDERCOVER WPC

 

 

In her TV footage Hobson records a male officer who had received a complaint of rape from a prostitute and consulted a senior officer before leaving the scene. Later he recalls the advice his inspector gave him: 'Yeah, just tell her if she wants to report it she reports it to us next week when she's ready ... take this with a big pinch of salt ... in my experience they'll come forward and help each other out.'

Hobson commented later: 'The officer who raises that comment was the first officer at the scene of a prostitute rape, and when he was relaying the details to his senior officer, it was then, "Take it as a pinch of salt", meaning it's a prostitute, they do this all the time, it might not be genuine. If a young officer is getting that sort of instruction from a senior officer, what hope have we ever we got of changing the attitude of particularly men in the police force to how they deal with a rape - be it a prostitute rape, a domestic rape or a stranger rape? They're all rapes.'

On another night, one of Hobson's female colleagues expresses disgust at the station's failure to send a scene of crime officer (Soco) to visit an alleged rape victim. 'I'm absolutely appalled,' says the female officer. 'She's ringing me every day ... Soco wasn't sent round. It might have happened on Tuesday - so what? There's still forensic evidence of it on the settee ... If I'd been raped, than fucking hell, I'm not reporting it to the police. I'd rather do myself in because the help you get from these people are just ridiculous.'

Hobson added: 'We still hear police officers saying "She asked for it, she had a short skirt on". I thought we might have moved on, but we quite clearly haven't.'

In a separate piece of footage, two male officers visit Hobson's home when they should allegedly be on duty patrolling the M1. They encourage her to watch 'disgusting' pornography on a mobile phone, apparently featuring a woman and a horse. One of the male officers makes an attempt at humour: 'The woman in that died three days later.' Hobbs also finds pornographic posters displayed at a police station.

During a busy Friday night, as the police attempt to control crowds, Hobson is sent on an errand by her sergeant, who tells her: 'You want all the testosterone you can get. And you haven't got any.' She explained later: 'He says, "I'm sorry Nina that I gave you that job, but at the end of the day, you were the woman, it's kicking out time, and I want blokes out on the streets for any fights that might happen.'

The film also shows police on patrol playing 'hide and seek' in their cars or fetching Chinese takeaways while pretending to be busy. Officers play poker and cricket in the custody suite while Hobson is waiting to bring in a prisoner. Two officers coming to the end of their shift ignore reports of a woman being roughed up by a man. A senior officer tells Hobson and her colleagues that the antidote to an incapacitating spray, Captor, should be reserved for officers not prisoners, and admits: 'I think if that went out in the public domain there might be trouble.'

Leicestershire police said that it was aware of the Dispatches programme, to be shown on Channel 4 at 9pm on Thursday. Matt Baggott, the chief constable, said: 'I am sure many will share my disappointment that Ms Hobson chose not to raise these matters of concern at the time. There are a number of ways colleagues can do so - if needs be anonymously.

'Sadly Ms Hobson appears to have chosen not to use any of the channels available. Because of this, the incidents of poor behaviour that she filmed were allowed to go unchecked for months. This is not in the interests of Leicestershire Constabulary or of the people of Leicester, Leicestershire and Rutland.'




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Dispatches 'Undercover Copper'. All us regulars are well aware of what the 'Police Get Up To When No-One Is Watching' (writing their BLOGS) but at least these whistleblower programmes that do get to air in the public domain expose the REALITY and the FACTS to the PUBLIC.

 

I don't know, they [Police] are now onto administrative Corruption in an attempt to meet the HOME OFFICE targets.

 

 

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Hi Magpie & Admin2... thanks for your posts with regards to 'Whats On TV', and all the scandal that has been uncovered in recent programmes.

 

What on earth have I been missing out on?  That'll teach me to spend less time writing my BLOG, and spend more time on doing the REAL, important things that I should be doing. 

 

Police forces across the country, please take note.  And not in your blogs neither. 


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TUESDAY 9th MAY 9pm Sky Three

 

Conspiracies - The Illuminati: Our Secret Masters

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Hi Magpie, this should be interesting although I am sure the BRETHREN have already sanctioned the broadcasting first?


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Wednesday 10th May Channel Five 9pm - Angels & Demons: The True Story

Film examining 'The da Vinci Code' author Dan Brown's novel 'Angels and Demons'. It's a story of high intrigue, and the threat posed to the Catholic Church by a secret society known as the Illuminati. But is any of it based on real events? This film separates fact from fiction, revealing just who the Illuminati were, and what their real significance was. Including the sculptor Bernini's supposed secret messages, and the book's central theme: the age-old conflict between science and religion.

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SUNDAY 21st MAY BBC ONE 10:15PM

 

Panorama

 

Fingerprints in the Dock

Investigation into a routine murder inquiry in a Scottish town that led to two people being wrongly accused of serious crimes. It's a scandal that threatens to demolish over a century of public trust in the science of fingerprinting.

 

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Hi Magpie... thanks for your post, and for the heads up on the forthcoming programme 'Fingerprints in The Dock'.

Should be compelling viewing, but as for the programme threatening to 'demolish' the public trust in the science of finger-printing, well, haven't they already managed to do that with the Shirley McKie affair??

 

Should be worth watching though


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Should be compelling viewing, but as for the programme threatening to 'demolish' the public trust in the science of finger-printing, well, haven't they already managed to do that with the Shirley McKie affair??

 Should be worth watching though

Absolutely Admin and I'm assuming the Panorama programme is relating to the Shirley McKie affair so it will be interesting viewing.

http://www.shirleymckie.com/documents/Panorama.pdf

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LES BROWN FAIRY TAIL.....

 

FINGERPRINT case policewoman Shirley McKie was allowed into a murder scene because a cop "fancied her", MSPs were told yesterday.

The claim was made in new evidence presented to a Holyrood committee investigating the case.

McKie was awarded £750,000 compensation in an out-of-court settlement after experts wrongly identified her prints at the home of murder victim Marion Ross in 1997.

She has always denied entering the scene.

But an investigator yesterday claimed to have evidence that McKie did enter Mrs Ross's Kilmarnock home.

Les Brown, are tired Strathclyde detective chief inspector, said he had been told an officer guarding the murder scene let her in.

 

In written evidence, he said: "This officer had stated that he might be in trouble because he had allowed Shirley McKie into the murder house, but, at her request, had not 'logged her in'.

"When asked why, he replied, 'Because I fancied her'."

Brown investigated the case on behalf of four Scottish fingerprint experts who originally identified McKie's prints on a door.

Other documents showed the experts still believe they were right - although ministers believe they made an "honest mistake".

One of the four, Anthony McKenna, said: "My first concern is the stance by the committee that a mistake or mistakes have been made.

"My colleagues and I do not believe this to be the case."

The claims were dismissed in written evidence from McKie's father, Ian McKie.

He said the only way to restore confidence in the fingerprint service was for experts from the Scottish Criminal Records Office to admit mistakes were made.


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COMING SOON ON PANORAMA


Can fingerprints at a crime scene still be considered infallible evidence? Watch Panorama at 2215 BST on Sunday 21 May on BBC One and then on demand.
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Fingerprints in the dock
Fingerprint under magnifying glass

Watch Panorama at 2215 BST on Sunday 21 May on BBC One to find out if the most basic crime scene evidence can be trusted.

For more than 100 years the identification of fingerprints has been fundamental to the solving of crimes.

A single fingerprint can provide enough evidence to send someone to prison for life.

Lawyers will advise clients to plead guilty if they cannot explain why their prints have been found at a crime scene.

But the case of a former Scottish detective whose prints were misidentified by the country's top fingerprint bureau has shaken this faith around the world.

Earlier this year, Shirley McKie was given three quarters of a million pounds in an out of court settlement with the Scottish Criminal Records Office (SCRO).

She had been charged with perjury after telling a court that a fingerprint found at a crime scene could not belong to her because she had never been to the house.

Panorama reporter Shelley Jofre

Michael Jackson's lawyers cited the McKie case when questioning the validity of fingerprint evidence at the singer's trial.

International fingerprint experts tell Panorama about their concerns that the infallibility of fingerprints as evidence is now in question.

The Scottish Parliament has invited the four fingerprint experts from the SCRO, who wrongly put Shirley McKie at the murder scene, to be interviewed about their work in the next few weeks.

Reporter: Shelley Jofre
Producers: Thea Guest and Graeme McAulay
Editors: Andrew Bell and Frank Simmonds

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Hi Magpie, It will be a very interesting viewing of the fingerprint/McKie case on TV.

 

It seems as though everyone else knows she was innocent except these stubborn B******S within the SCRO,Executive and Lord Advocate's office.

 

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Hi Hammer6 and all.  Did anyone catch the Panorama programme? What a shameful scandal, let alone embarrassment for the SCRO and Scottish Executive . So why do the four SCRO 'experts' continue to stick to their story? Lets hope at least one of them will speak the truth and tell why they all continue to stick to their story no matter what. Isn't it extraordinary that it was the same four SCRO experts who made the same erroneous conclusion of both Shirley McKie's fingerprint, and that of a fingerprint found on the biscuit tin belonging to David Asbury.

 

Shirley McKie believes there to be a Cover-up and in my view that can only be the explanation for this scandal.

Shirley McKie: "I do hope that the people responsible are made to be accountable for what they have done. There are serious criminal charges should come from this. It has been obvious for years there were criminal goings on in this case and it has been continually covered up,"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4689218.stm

 

 

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An absolute bloody scandal that reaches far higher than the SCRO Magpie and Colin Boyd QC will be sweating over this one holding hands with Jack McConnell.


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