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Hi Magpie, in relation to your last post the key word was 'CIVILIAN' and not 'POLICE OFFICER'.


You will also note that there were two people in this case and one was a 'POLICE OFFICER' so in the event of any prejudgment of the case why was the POLICE OFFICER not searched too?


The problem lies with the word 'CIVILIAN' again and by definition not a POLICE OFFICER so are the POLICE not CIVILIAN'S? as I thought the term only specified non-military personnel.


These FREUDIAN SLIPS show that we are indeed living in a POLICE STATE and not a DEMOCRACY.


One rule for them and another for us ALL.


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Hi Admin2. Indeed and a Police State where they make, break and bend the protocol rules as and when it suits them.


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The Sunday Times November 13, 2005

It’s not a Blair police state we need fear, it’s his state police

Tony Blair was stung. In the middle of his Commons speech last Wednesday someone shouted: “Police state.” He erupted. “Did the right honourable gentleman say a ‘police state’?” he asked and bitterly denounced the charge.

The heckler should have reversed his words. Had he shouted “state police” he would have been nearer the mark. The key to the headlong rush of police chiefs into Blair’s bunker last week was an explosive document lying on the home secretary’s desk. It is his plan completely to reorganise policing in England and Wales.

The present 43 local forces will become just 12 regional ones under the Home Office and its quangos. This means that 43 jobs appointed locally will become a dozen appointed centrally. The police will be not “politicised” but nationalised. Last week Sir Ian Blair, London’s chief commissioner, was popping in and out of Downing Street for all the world as if he were minister of police.

The saga of the 90-day detention law has been a textbook case of what happens when ministers control policemen. It is plain that suicide bombers can deploy more deadly explosives than their precursors. This is worrying for the police and the public. July 7 was a serious failure and the police response — not to admit fault but to demand more power — was understandable but debatable. Recent evidence suggests that what is needed is not more power, which the police have in abundance and sometimes abuse, but more intelligence and resources in the right place.

Even so, what is debatable should have been properly debated, especially if it has delicate ethnic, security and even constitutional implications. In the past this would have meant an inquiry, however brief, to take evidence and secure a consensus of support before legislation. Royal commissions need not take for ever.

Instead this matter was so chaotically handled that the balance between civil liberty and police power was lost in the shouting. It became partisan. Police chiefs, with their careers on the line, were told to lobby their MPs, many of whom were furious. The Andy Hayman 90-day dossier was treated by Blair with the same biblical reverence that he once showered on Alastair Campbell’s notorious variations on a 45-minute theme.

By Wednesday the prime minister appeared to believe that only 90-day detention stood between Britain and the imminent arrival of Hitler’s storm troops. Charles Clarke, the home secretary, said it would be “obscene” not to go for 90 days in the immediate aftermath of the July 7 memorial service, lending weight to the suspicion that the St Paul’s event had been politically orchestrated. Nor did Clarke rebut The Sun’s absurd allegation that those voting for less than 90 days were “traitors”.

In sum the ministerial over-sell was counterproductive to the measure itself. It was the answer to a terrorist’s prayer and shows how easily civil liberties in Britain can be swept aside by a well aimed bomb. At every turn Blair and Clarke cried: “Just give the police whatever they want.” Would that include capital punishment or a return to torture? It was dumbed-down government at its most inane.

The history of the British police is rooted in two traditions. One is local consent, the other an aversion to a national gendarmerie or “army of the interior”. The first bred the most popular constabulary in the world, a street police, unarmed, recruited from and accountable to its community. Under Elizabeth I helping the police was a civic duty, like jury service. The Puritans took the local election of law-enforcers to America, where it rules still.

Not until the 1964 Police Act and the first moves towards centralisation did this “Dixon of Dock Green” tradition start to crack. In England and Wales, 123 forces came down to 47. The Home Office encouraged the police to get off the beat and into cars. Street crime soared and police aloofness, corruption and unpopularity with it. In the words of one historian, “plods became pigs”.

Two Tory home secretaries, Kenneth Clarke and Michael Howard, struggled to get force numbers down and end local government involvement in policing. They sought to enforce national policy and targets. The move was balked in the Lords, where one former home secretary after another denounced nationalisation.

Lord Jenkins called it “dogma and hubris”, Lord Callaghan said that it was “only the desire of the home secretary to strengthen his influence”. No opposition was as vehement as that of the Labour spokesman in the Commons. In 1994 he excoriated nationalisation as “driven by an ideology which resents local freedom with an aversion bordering on paranoia”. That man was Tony Blair.

The 1994 reforms centralised police policy and finance but left 43 forces in place. As when David Blunkett tried to sack the head of Humberside, the local dog could still bark occasionally. It is this bark that Clarke wants to eliminate. He already controls police numbers and performance targets yet cannot bear accountability being to anyone but him. In policing big must be beautiful and central must be efficient. There is no shred of evidence for this from home or abroad. Clarke wants just one force for the whole of Wales. Has he ever been to Wales?

After the miners’ strike of 1984-85 the police were worried at being cast as “Maggie’s boot boys”. Despite the reluctance of some forces to fight the strikers, in retrospect the centre/local concordat held. The army was not needed. As in America (and unlike France) a locally accountable police acted as a safety valve against fears of central rule.

Last week the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) misjudged its role. It was ordered into action to save the bacon of ministers, making the police seem lackeys of a partisan government. This was exactly the danger against which parliament warned Sir Robert Peel in denying him a national police force back in 1828. A local constabulary, it felt, would far better protect Britain from revolution or repression. It was right.

Clarke’s new force (which he pretends is 12 forces) will be expected to enforce on citizens an ever lengthening list of controversial laws. They must imprison without charge (for 28 days) anyone from the Muslim community fingered by the security services. They must enforce laws against incitement and “the glorification of terror”. They must stop people hunting with dogs. They must enforce speed limits to raise revenue for government. They must enforce a battery of Asbos. They must soon battle later into the night with binge drinkers. This is quite different from the old system, where most policing was of local bylaws passed by the same councils that were responsible for seeing them enforced.

The home secretary knows what he is about. He has the career prospects of every Acpo member sitting on his desk. Where the Tories failed to nationalise the police, it seems certain that Labour will succeed. The Home Office, which long ran Britain’s least efficient force, the Met, now considers itself best qualified to run them all. Its excuse is terrorism.

From Downing Street, now looking like London’s own Green Zone, policing Britain is about “the war”. Yet from the bottom up it is still about street safety, burglary, drinking, drugs and driving. It is about neighbourhood order with consent. Policing is a classic public service that should be “accountable at the point of delivery”. There is no state or city in America that would surrender its policing to Washington and the FBI. Whatever national force is used against terrorism (and the Home Office claimed to have formed one last year) local policing should come under local democracy.

Clarke’s regional forces would be the opposite. Regionalism is now code for central government, be it hospitals, economic development, housing targets, planning policy and doubtless soon education. Power taken from democratic institutions and given to appointed ones is power concentrated. Anyone who has been interviewed and box-ticked for quango service will know what this means. Nationalisation is what it says: ownership and regulation by agents of the state.

The prime minister was right last week. Britain is not a police state. It is so because Britons have for 160 years fought against a state police. Parliament has sensed that throughout history the borderline between a state police and a police state is always indistinct. Blair does not understand. He is seized by the same paranoia against which he ranted so well a decade ago.


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Hi Hammer6, mactheknife, Magpie & Admin2... thank you for all your posts with regards to the topic of 'Bullying' - a lot of great information on the subject.


I would agree with Admin2 in that we are not living in a democracy, as we are led to believe.  The system - from the Government, the Judiciary and right down to the cops -  have far too much power, control, and tendencies to bully, for Britain to be considered a democractic state. 


It is indeed, one rule for them, and another rule for us.


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FOR THE BULLYING VICTIMS OF WORKPLACE IT IS NOW PAYBACK TIME; More workers today are being harassed in their places of employment. Until now they haven't been able to prove it.

ONE in four employees in Ireland are bullied at some stage of their careers. And it is believed the number is steadily on the increase.

Bullying in the workplace can take many forms - verbal, psychological or physical. It can be conducted by a person or a group against another one person or a number of people.

The most serious effects of bullying are fear, anxiety and depression, all of which can lead to suicide. Victims can also suffer from severe loss of confidence and low self-esteem.

Victims of bullying have described their experiences as paramount to "absolute terrorism of the self".

In spite of the horrific number of cases there is no specific legislation, north or south of the border to deal with the growing problem.

While sexual, religious, racial and disability harassment are covered by anti-discrimination laws, bullying is seemingly a legal grey area.

But work is underway to change the situation.

Last month, Tom Kitt, Minister for Labour Affairs in the Republic, announced the establishment of a task force to look at ways of preventing workplace bullying, to identify the size of the problem and the employment sectors most at risk.

The task force will also develop proposals for practical programmes and strategies to prevent workplace bullying and to provide appropriate responses from the government.

Meanwhile, in Northern Ireland, The Labour Relations Agency is adding the finishing touches to an advisory booklet for employers and employees on bullying which will be available within the next two months.

This booklet will highlight to employers the need for a bullying policy in the workplace.

Rampant bullying in schools hit the headlines five years ago. And only just recently workplace bullying has been identified as a burning issue.

The Anti-Bullying Research Centre in Trinity College, Dublin was initially set up to tackle bullying in schools. One year after it opened, calls from victims of bullying in the workplace jammed the phone lines.

"Judging by the amount of calls we are receiving, there is no doubt that bullying in the workplace is on the increase," said Murray Smith, a research assistant at the Anti-Bullying Centre.

Murray deals with victims of bullying every day and he has seen how victimisation of this sort can take its toll on a person.

"The person being bullied can suffer from various stress-related illnesses. They can suffer from headaches, sweating, shaking, stomach and bowel problems, loss of energy and appetite and high blood pressure.

"The psychological symptoms can be anger, anxiety, panic attacks, depression, loss of confidence, tearfulness, lack of motivation and a general loss of concentration.

"Victims can also become uncharacteristically aggressive, irritable, withdrawn and perhaps start smoking, drinking alcohol and taking drugs to cope with the situation at work.

"Furthermore, the victim of bullying can bring their personal problems into the home, making life nasty for their family. There is no end to the effects bullying can have on an individual.

Murray finds that although bullying occurs all year round, the Anti-Bullying Centre receives more calls around holiday periods.

"Christmas time and around the start of September are very busy times for all of us. Holiday periods are times of great stress for people in general. Then the bully is most likely to be at their worst. At the Anti- Bullying Centre we work with counsellors and solicitors who can also assist the victim.

"Bullying happens to people at work from their late teens up. There is no archetypal victim and no archetypal bully."

Bullying is not confined to those in authority as an employee might bully someone in the same grade or groups of employees may victimise a certain individual."

Paul Blease, an inquiry point manager in the Labour Relations Agency in Belfast admits that there is no pattern to bullying.

"Not just timid people are bullied. There is no one type of person who will be bullied in the workplace. But it is important to remember the problem is with the bully and not the victim.

"Every day I receive two complaints of bullying in Northern Ireland from people who feel they can't cope any more. And in the main the complaints come from women.

"I have also come across cases in which the woman boss is bullying men, where women bully women, men bully men and so on. There is no fixed pattern and it depends on the particular working environment.

"When someone is bullied they experience humiliation or ridicule, are set impossible deadlines or are given excessive workloads.

"The bullying may take the form of threats, abuse, teasing or practical jibes which are beyond the bound of humour. Unjustified criticisms can be made about them, their responsibilities are gradually taken away and they are then given menial and pointless tasks.

"The person being bullied may also be persistently picked on and shouted at in private or public, excluded or sent to Coventry, refused requests and blocked from promotion.

"Some people who are very competent in their jobs are bullied possibly because their expertise attracts some form of jealousy by a peer or the boss. It can be an attempt by the bully to assert themselves over that person.

"Or it may be a manager simply taking a dislike to a member of staff and bullying them for that reason.

"People who are bullied obviously become ill. Some become so stressed out with it that they have panic attacks every time the bully comes into the office.

"Some people take off sick with the stress and their doctor puts them on anti-depressants, beta-blockers - you name it, they are on them.

"Quite recently I was talking to a man who worked for a building firm. This man worked away competently but kept himself pretty much to himself.

"That was why colleagues took a grudge with him. The form of bullying he came under was finding dead rats in his lunch box and general exclusion from the rest of his work colleagues.

"He started eating his lunch in the car and one afternoon he went out to find paint splattered all over his vehicle. This is a criminal offence.

"The majority of calls we receive are from white collar workers. Blue collar workers are least likely to report bullying. From my experience blue collar workers just seem to pack in their job and go somewhere else.

"But if you have been working for 20 years in an insurance company, it is more difficult to up and leave."

When someone approaches The Labour Relations Agency with a complaint of bullying, they are given information about their rights. But the Labour Relations Agency is unable to take the case any further.

Ian McInnes, the Director of the Labour Relations Agency, explains: "There is no one piece of legislation in Northern Ireland to deal with bullying.

"But while there is no precise anti-discrimination law against bullying, there are some points which employers have to consider.

"Under the Health and Safety at Work Act, employers are required to ensure risks to the health and safety of employees are properly assessed.

"That duty extends to the mental as well as the physical well-being of an employee.

"So in ordinary common law employers have to provide a safe system of work and that includes an environment free from bullying.

"For example, an employee who has left his or her job because of bullying may be able to maintain that that amounts to constructive dismissal.

"Violence to a colleague may attract criminal proceedings. It can also be a criminal offence and a civil wrong to pursue a course of conduct which amounts to harassment of another person. Of course all this has to be proven.

"The Labour Relations Agency offers advice on bullying both to the employer and employee. All our calls are confidential. If the caller doesn't volunteer their name we don't press them for it.

"Generally we advise the victim to approach the alleged bully directly, with the support of a union representative or with a supervisor or manager about the problem.

"If it's too difficult, someone can approach the alleged bully on their behalf. Resolving the problem within the workplace is usually the best option for everyone involved.

"Our booklet on bullying in the workplace will enable employers to produce policies and to counteract bullying," explained Ian. "There is a clear is a need for all employers in Northern Ireland to use a bullying policy so that managers and employees know their rights and responsibilities."

Patricia McKeown, the Deputy Regional Secretary of UNISON in Northern Ireland was startled at the results of a 1996 survey into bullying in her union. She believes bullying needs to be tackled in a strong way.

"Seven out of 10 members who replied to the survey maintained they had been bullied in the past six months. That is quite frightening.

"UNISON deals only with workers in the public sector. But I have no doubt that people in the private sector get bullied to the same extent. Today the workplace is riddled with pressure and that pressure is telling on both managers and workers.

"It seems that bullying has become part of the management culture of many public-service employers and is often being allowed to carry on unchecked.

"Bullying in the workplace is detrimental to a business as it can cause low morale, high rates of absenteeism and a general lack of initiative and creativity. The survey also revealed a high cost to employers through job losses because of bullying.

"It has a detrimental effect on the organisation and requires an organisational response. Employers need to make clear what is unacceptable behaviour in the workplace and promote a climate where bullying is not tolerated.

"UNISON is continually working to challenge the bullying culture and ensure employers recognise this behaviour is unacceptable."

Eric Bradshaw, a Dublin solicitor who specialises in Employment Law and works in tandem with the Anti-Bullying Centre at Trinity College has been inundated with clients over the past four years who feel they have been bullied.

"People are just finding out they can seek legal advice to help them deal with bullying at work. Not so long ago legal advice was quite different - it was a matter of putting your head down and getting on with it. Not any more.

"The 1989 Health and Safety in the Workplace Act does lay out some guidelines but it is still quite a grey area.

"To be awarded damages in a case, a client needs to prove injury usually in the form of a psychiatrist's report. The report must prove the client has suffered bullying from the manager or peer group."

No one on the south has ever taken a case of bullying to the high court. Cases are always settled as no employer wants bad press.

"In my experience employers will do anything to keep the case out of court. For that reason the general public never get to hear about what is going on as most settlements are made on the basis of confidentiality.

"I have people in front of me from all spectrums of the community crying about their work situations. Some people are mentally demolished and it is terrible to see them. These people find themselves in problem situations and can't find a way out.

"In reality individuals just can't walk out of their jobs without a reference. Getting a bad name for yourself as a problem employee is not an ideal situation either.

"People have to earn a living and would rather take the heat at work rather than lose out on a wage. Bullying is a very big problem in the workplace and something needs to be done about it fast."


Case Study

TWO years ago Sinead (not her real name) felt life was going well. She had just landed herself a good job in a large office in Dublin as a sales executive.

"The first day went well," explained Sinead. "I took to the job like a duck to water. Six months after I started my manager took me into her office and shut the door. She accused me of talking too much and keeping the others back, taking long lunch breaks and producing sloppy work. I was told if I didn't prove myself, I would be out on my ear."

Sinead couldn't believe what she was hearing. Nothing her manager said was true.

"I tried really hard to please her but nothing seemed to work. Every few days she would come and stand over me when I was working just waiting for me to make a mistake. Every time she walked in the room I started shaking. The very sound of her voice terrified me. She treated me like a simpleton in front of everyone, reprimanded me in public and made me feel like a fool. I nearly began to believe what she was saying.

"After eight months in the office it seemed my manager had told other high members of staff I was incompetent.

"Fellow members of staff in the office sympathised with me, but didn't get involved. There was no one I could talk to about my problem as my manager got on so well with higher management.

"She just didn't like me and I couldn't see why. Life was hell. I couldn't sleep at night or work during the day as my mind was so distracted. I was making life hell for my boyfriend as I came home every night like a bull. I went to the doctor and he put me on a course of anti-depressants. But tablets alone were not enough - I needed to get out."

Eventually Sinead started applying for other jobs. She knew if she created a fuss in the office her name could be branded as a problem employee. Then she would never get another job.

"At the start of the 11th month I left for a poorer paid position. But I have no regrets about leaving although I do wish I had stood up to my manager."


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The Sunday Times April 23, 2006

Paddick could be ousted from Yard in Menezes row

SIR IAN BLAIR, the Metropolitan police commissioner, has authorised a plan that would see a key subordinate who appeared to question his account of the Stockwell shooting sent on “gardening leave”, senior police sources say.

The results of the inquiry into whether Blair told the truth about the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, an innocent Brazilian, are due next month. The proposals would mean that Brian Paddick, a high-profile deputy assistant commissioner, would in effect be banished from Scotland Yard.

Friends of Paddick said he had been offered the option of going on “gardening leave” for the next six months. This would last until November, when he has the option of retiring with a full police pension after 30 years’ service.

If agreed, the deal would mean Paddick spending half a year being paid £52,000 — half his estimated £104,000 annual salary — for doing nothing.

The Met has offered Paddick the alternative of taking a posting involving a “less visible position” that would mean him rarely visiting Scotland Yard. Colleagues say Paddick, who was on holiday last week, is now considering his options.

The spat with Blair is the latest in a series of controversial incidents involving Paddick, the country’s most senior openly gay police officer.

He rose to prominence when he became involved with a “softly softly” approach to the possession of cannabis in Brixton, south London. Last year he acted as the public face of the Yard during the July 7 bombings.

Since then he has become a key witness in the inquiry into the death of de Menezes — who was shot after surveillance officers mistook him for one of the July 21 alleged would-be suicide bombers.

Earlier this year Paddick gave investigators from the Independent Police Complaints Commission a signed statement that appeared to contradict Blair’s account of the aftermath of the shooting.

Paddick testified that Moir Stewart, a key member of Blair’s private office, had been told just six hours after the shooting that police might have killed an innocent man.

Blair has maintained that the first he and his advisers knew of the error was 24 hours after the shooting.

De Menezes’s family complained that this claim was among several misleading statements issued by the Met in the aftermath of the shooting. If their complaint — and Paddick’s account — is upheld, most observers say Blair will almost certainly lose his job.

Such a ruling could also affect the amount of compensation to which the family are entitled. Some reports suggest the final sum could be between £500,000 and £1m.

Paddick’s version was dismissed by the Met as “simply not true”. When he threatened to take legal action, the force issued a public apology. However, the bitterness continues with friends of Paddick saying he believes it has damaged his credibility.


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Crimewatch callers name solicitors over stabbing of law official.......

A NATIONAL TV appeal broadcast last night for information about a knifeman who attacked an accountant outside his home in Edinburgh, generated the names of several possible suspects including solicitors.

Following the BBC Crimewatch programme, Lothian and Borders police detectives said believe they may have the name of the knifeman who stabbed Leslie Cumming last January.


The 62-year-old chief accountant has been working with the Law Society for more than 20 years, investigating cases of fraud by solicitors.

Last night Detective Inspector Keith Hardie said members of the public had phoned in giving the names of several people in relation to the case who could have a grudge against Mr Cumming.

Since the incident last January Lothian and Borders detectives have questioned more than 500 people and taken 167 statements in a bid to track down the

During the late-night update to the programme, Detective Inspector Keith Hardie, the officer who is leading the inquiry, told the BBC that there had been a number of calls in response to the appeal.

He said: "New information includes a possible name for the knifeman."

DI Hardie said the police were also looking at whether the man was contracted to carry out the attack on Mr Cumming, given the nature of his work.

In an interview earlier on the programme, Mr Cumming had said there may be number of "bent solicitors" who may bear him a grudge.

Mr Cumming was attacked by a masked man as he was about to enter his home in January this year.

He fought off the attacker but suffered multiple stab and slash wounds to his face and body.

DI Hardie told viewers: "As a result of detailed forensic work we now have a partial DNA profile of the attacker but we still need more information about what happened on that January afternoon.

"We have detailed statements from Mr Cumming but we want to know where his attacker went after the incident."

He added: "We still need the public's help in finding Mr Cumming's attacker.

"We hope that by issuing the photographs of his injuries that someone, somewhere, will make that call with a name. The DNA profile we have allows us to eliminate people easily. The injuries he suffered were quite horrific and we need to find his attacker."

A reward of £10,000 (£5,000 from Crimestoppers and £5,000 from the Law Society of Scotland) has been offered for information leading to the arrest of the suspect.

The suspect, who made off into Ormidale Terrace and the Roseburn area, is described as being in his twenties, of stocky build and wearing dark clothing and a dark balaclava.

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30 April 2006
A HIGH-FLYING lawyer has been accused of sexually assaulting a male solicitor at a legal function.

Advocate Gavin Anderson, 34, was reported to the procurator fiscal over the allegation.

Although prosecutors decided he would not face criminal charges, he will now be investigated by the Faculty of Advocates, his professional body.

The alleged victim is based in Glasgow. He says he was assaulted at a function in the city by Anderson, who is from Edinburgh.


A source close to the Faculty of Advocates said: "A complaint has been made following a report to the police and is subject to investigation by the discipline committee.

"They will take their time examining all the evidence before deciding what action, if any, to take.


"It's very unusual for an advocate to be subject of a police investigation and most people are very surprised."

Aberdeen University graduate Anderson became a member of the Faculty of Advocates five years ago after winning a scholarship.

At 29, he was one of the youngest lawyers ever to become a member of the body, which regulates Scotland's elite trial lawyers.

He is a member of the Westwater Stable - or group of advocates - and his professional interests include criminal trials and fatal accident inquries.

A team of investigators for the Faculty, which has 460 members, have been instructed to interview all those concerned in the case and report their findings to the disciplinary committee.

A Faculty spokesman said yesterday: "It is not our policy to discuss whether or not a member of the faculty is the subject of disciplinary proceedings."

A Strathclyde Police spokesman confirmed that a report had been submitted to the procurator fiscal last year over an allegation of indecent assault.

A Crown Office spokesman said: "The fiscal received a report from police last year regarding an allegation of indecent assault but decided not to proceed with the case."

When approached at his Edinburgh flat, Anderson refused to comment.



30 April 2006

A FORMER boxer who was shot in both legs is being given constant police protection in case of further attacks.

Speaking for the first time since release from hospital, businessman Tanweer Nazie says he now has a silent alarm installed in his home with a direct connection to nearby Govan police office.

He allows his children to play in the street only if they are supervised by his family.

Tanweer, 37 - nicknamed Tanny - has had the letterbox of his front door sealed.

The father of two was shot at the door of his £350,000 home in Pollokshields, Glasgow, on February 16.

Wife Alia, 29, and two young sons were in the house at the time.

Nazie said: "My children do not know what has happened. I do not want them to know and worry. I am being connected with everything from Lord Lucan to al-Qaeda."

Tanweer, a salesman with drinks distributors Global Direct, once ran grocery distribution firm Goalpage, which went bust in 2003 with debts of £356,000.

He was banned from being a company director until 2017 after it emerged he used bogus records to obtain credit.

A 51-year-old man appeared at Glasgow Sheriff Court on March 3 in connection with the shooting.

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2 May 2006
Brave veteran lashes out after callous thug grabs cash from wallet

AN OLD soldier was recovering in hospital yesterday after fighting off a mugger with his walking stick.

Frail Alexander Ramsay was robbed of pension cash from his wallet after the callous thief forced his way into his home.

But despite the ordeal, the 93-year-old, who was wounded while serving in north Africa, fought back.

Mr Ramsay said: "I started hitting him with my stick and gave him a clout over the back.

"I ripped his coat because I was hanging on to it as he was tugging to get away.

"I have hardly any balance. I was wounded in my right foot and left knee."


The widower, who lives alone in Dundee, had collected his pension and withdrawn extra cash just the day before the attack.

He planned to buy a birthday present for his grandson's girlfriend and help with the expense of a family holiday.

Daughter-in-law Agnes Ramsay called on | the police to track down the attacker as quickly as possible. She said: "I don't want this to happen to anybody else."

The thug is described as being in his late 20s to early 30s, medium build and with fair collar-length hair. He had a two-inch scar on his right cheek and was wearing a black jacket, jeans and white trainers.

Agnes is concerned about the possible long-term effects of the attack on Mr Ramsay, who is being cared for in Dundee's Ninewells hospital.

She explained: "I don't want this to be a life-changing thing for him.

"He wants to be able to go back and stay in his own house."

Mr Ramsay cared for wife Meg for 10 years before she died in 1996.

During World War II, he was one of only two survivors when a landmine blew up a truck he was on.

After surviving the Battle of El Alamein, he was blown up and wounded again in 1943.


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These cases of abuse against the most vulnerable members of society are the ultimate Bullying crime and should receive the severest of sentence with no eligibility for early release. Truly despicable.


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3 May 2006
Thug caught on camera as he l attacks student for her phone...

A YOUNG woman was brutally mugged for her mobile phone as her boyfriend listened on the line.

Student Rebecca Glover was kicked in the head by her skinhead attacker as her screams rang in boyfriend Andy Parker's ear.

CCTV cameras caught the robber dragging Rebecca to the | ground and repeatedly kick-' ing her before stealing her mobile phone.

Rebecca, 20, had just finished a waitressing shift and was on her way to meet Andy, 26.

They were chatting on I the phone and chef Andy \ heard a scream as the thug pounced - then 1 the line went dead.

Rebecca, who works part-time at a restaurant in Preston, Lancashire, was walking to the train station when she was attacked.


Rebecca said: "I had just finished work and rang Andy straight away just to say I was on my way and I was going to go and get the train.

"We were just chatting about trivial things to pass the time.

"As it was dark, I felt a little safer with my phone out, talking to someone I knew.

"I could let Andy know exactly where I was, and it was as though he was there with me."

Then the thug sprung his attack.

Rebecca - a law and forensic science student at the town's University of Central Lancashire -said he smiled at her moments before the mugging.

She said: "He was grinning when he walked up to me, as though he found it funny.

"I really panicked when I saw him go for me. I started to scream and I called out Andy's name.

"The guy grabbed me quite roughly and the next thing I knew I was on the floor. He didn't speak at all. He pushed me to the floor and he wouldn't let me up. I was screaming hysterically.

"I just remember the guy stood over me and I remember being kicked in my head."

Andy said: "We were chatting and midway through the conversation I heard a piercing scream from Becky and then the phone went dead.

"I just knew something was wrong and I immediately jumped in my car and started driving to Preston.

"I felt helpless, as there was nothing I could do until I got there.

"I really don't want her to walk around by herself at night again."

The thug fled in a dark blue hatchback which was apparently waiting for him.

Rebecca suffered bruises and lumps to her head in the attack.

She added: "You hear stories about people being attacked, but it's not something you think will ever happen to you. Women just need to be aware of the dangers.

"I would just say to other women that they shouldn't travel on their own at night if they can avoid it. It's not brave or big to walk around on your own - it's not worth the risk."

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hi all , just back after a long absence,i am impressed with this bullying page , and would just like to say that bullies are the scum of the earth .bullying in whatever form it comes in should never be tolerated , my daughter  was the victim of a bully , at the age of 16 my girl became withdrawn and she had no self esteem , she began to self harm and even made an attempt at suicide, she swallowed every pill she could find in the house .


i had no idea that my girl was being bullied till the day she tried to end it all, we got her to hospital and that's when it all came out that her so called friend , was in fact threatening her and beating her up , this bully was extorting money and personal items from our home by telling my girl that she would  do all sorts of horrible things to my girl , she humiliated her at school in front of every one of her classmates , blackmailing her and beating her on a daily basis.


we went to the police to have this bully charged but it was a waste of time, even though  my girl had given a statement and told them everything , my hubby saw this girl in the street , and foolishly he grabbed her and ran her in to the police station  demanding that she be charged  , only to be told that he would be charged with assaulting this bully and that he had no right to grab her and drag her into the cop shop , the bullying continued, even though we had explained everything to the school that my girl attended and made constant complaints to the police , nothing was done , a year passed and my girl left school and started working she began to get back to the happy girl that she was before.


then one evening she walked into a local shop and the bully fallowed her in there, my girl panicked and asked the shop keeper to call us , i ran down to the shop grabbed this bully and gave her a taste of her own medicine  i  hate violence, but my temper was broken and i  lay ed into this bully with unstop able rage, i felt so ashamed of myself that i had stooped to this bullies level .  but it worked,  she tried to charge me with assault but there were no witnesses and the shopkeeper told police that she never saw anything thank god ,my girl never got any trouble from the bully again , sometimes you have to fight fire with fire , i m not proud of what i did, but  i couldn't just stand by and let it happen again . sometimes its the only way to deal with bullies . 


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Half the population are bullied by a serial bully ... most only recognize it when they read this


Hi lollli60, I am sure that the ordeal that your daughter went through was a harrowing experience and an un necessary one.


Thank you for sharing your family story with us here and hope that the intimidation and bullying has stopped!


If it has not then send us the name/s of those concerned and we will publicly shame them on the FORUM.


I do however feel that fighting fire with fire is at times a rush of blood to the head when dealing with bullies and your husband was indeed right but in the eyes of the law he was not? and charged.


Events like this are all too common and we hope that your daughter can live a peace full life free from the bullies and thank you once again for sharing your story with us.


We also hope that it may encourage others to seek up and do not suffer in silence!

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Hi lollli60 & Hammer6... thanks for your posts with regards to 'Bullying'.


Lollli60, I found the story of your daughter's ordeal very sad indeed, and I can relate to it in some ways, having been a victim of bullying myself throughout my school years.  It is only tragic that your daughter went through so much that she was intent on taking her own life because of the mental and physical torture that she endured at the hands of another human being.


I can fully understand the reaction of both yourself and your husband, as no parent wants to see their child being bullied in any form at all, and I was pleased to read that your daughter managed to rebuild her life, and leave the torment behind her.


Unfortunately, bullies exist in all walks of life, and whether it be mental or physical abuse that someone suffers, both leave the same scars and ruin lives.  If only people would consider their actions before they carry them out, and take a moment to think of what their victim must be feeling.  Hence why I personally treat others as I would like to be treated myself.


With regards to fighting fire with fire, I have to agree to some extent that this is, at times, the only way to deal with bullies, as it is the only language that they understand themselves.  In my case, it got to the stage where I knew that if I didn't fight back, I would remain a victim forever, and when I did eventually get enough courage to turn the bullying around onto those who had subjected me to it for many years, they suddenly realised that they weren't so tough, and the bullying stopped.  No doubt they then moved onto their next vulnerable victim.


However, being a (little!) older and wiser,  I would try and refrain from using violence as a way of reacting to bullies, but instead, treat all bullies with the absolute contempt that they deserve.  On saying that though, if someone I knew and cared about was being bullied, I would be inclined to get involved and put a stop to it.


NO ONE deserves to be bullied - be it physically or mentally - and the solace that I take from my own experience, is that what goes around, will inevitably one day, come around. 


Thanks again for the posts, and Hammer6, for the link.

I'd rather be hated for what I am, than loved for what I am not".

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Admin you are indeed a very strong individual and tackled bullies in your own way much like the rest of us would do.


Your own personal experiences are just as important as anyone who has suffered at the hand of these COWARDS!


Well done for highlighting your own situation as SCHOOL BULLYING lasts in your mind for the rest of your life when in need never have happened in the first place so thank you for sharing an unfortunate experience with us.


If anyone else would like to share their experiences please post them as it may help others to understand and heal to know they are not alone and this terrible experience must be tackled properly not just by words alone but by deeds!


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A SECURITY firm boss has fled Scotland after rivals threatened to mutilate his children.

Brian Collins also received death threats and his £26,000 car was torched in his driveway.

Gangster-run security firms have been trying to force the 40-year-old's firm, Hayleigh Enterprises Ltd, out of business for three years.

Brian refused to cave in - but immediately put the company up for sale after thugs targeted Hayleigh, eight, and Holly, four.

Last night, he said: "They have said they are going to cut my daughters' fingers off and shoot me.

"It is different when they are threatening me but when it comes to my kids you just have to say enough is enough.


"The police are treating this as very serious. They know and I know who it is. But we don't have proof."

Brian - who has fled his home in Inverkip, Renfew-shire, with his girls and wife Lynne - has now sold his firm. He employed 40 people in his Gourock base and hundreds of others in Northern England.

During the terror campaign, more than £1million of damage was caused to sites his firm was protecting and staff were threatened.

The latest threats came as he bid for contracts with Inverclyde Council. Brian said: "I'm going far away. My family are out of there and that's all that matters."

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