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What makes a person not suitable to work with kids? In my eyes it would be someone who has done any wrong toward them or a violent person.

Take for example someone who in their late 30`s had for example 6 convictions in their lives 4 of which was motor offences none of which may I add are drunk driving, dangerous driving or even speeding the other two offences are nothing to talk of either...How can that person be said to be unsuitable to employ..because they were jailed by a sheriff who happened to be in a mood that day..I always thought the type of crime was taken into account when looking at any convictions being disclosed..

So you do the crime, do your time, try to turn your life around go to college then maybe just about to go to Uni just to be told "your wasting your time we wont ever employ you".

How is anyone expected to get on in life if they are not allowed to.

Oh forgot to add before any of the above there was a miscarriage of Justice,

I suppose you could say the system makes criminals......In my opinion.

Where is the Justice when what happens to you depends on which sheriff you get and what kind of mood he`s in?   Wheres the Justice when you make a mistake and admit your guilt but they make a mistake and are told never to admit it!

sorry for going on but im RAGIN!!

 

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 JKANE6364. 

 

You are no doubt aware, (to my knowledge) anyone applying to work with children will be subject to a CRB/List99 check. (CRB/POVA checks where the work involves vulnerable adults).  The following is taken from the Teachernet.gov website;

 

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1.                  The agency should consider an applicant's suitability for appointment in the light of all the information revealed by the various checks, including the Disclosure.  Any information revealed by the Disclosure will be relevant to that consideration.

2.                  A criminal record does not automatically make someone unsuitable to teach.  Each case should be considered on its merits.  Research has shown that one adult male in three will have a criminal conviction (excluding motoring offences) by the time he is 30.  It is for the employing body to make a judgment as to suitability taking into account only those offences which may be relevant to the particular job or situation in question.  On the other hand, it is not only sexual offences which may render the person unsuitable.  The person's suitability should be looked at as a whole in the light of all the information available. 

3.                  In deciding the relevance of convictions, a number of points should be considered:

a.                  The nature of the offence.  In general convictions for sexual, violent, or drugs offences will be particularly strong contra-indications for work with children.

b.                  The age of the offence.  Offences which took place many years in the past may often have less relevance than recent offences.  However, convictions for serious violent or sexual offences, or serious offences involving substance abuse, are more likely to give cause for continuing concern than, say, an isolated case of dishonesty committed when the person was young.  The principle of rehabilitation must be weighed against the need to protect children.

c.                  Frequency of offence.  A series of offences over a period of time is more likely to give cause for concern than an isolated minor conviction.

4.                  If there is any doubt about an applicant's suitability for appointment the agency should consult the personnel manager of the Local Education Authority responsible for the schools in which the applicant is likely to work. 

5.                  If the Disclosure reveals that the person is barred from teaching, or is on the PoCA list, he or she must not be appointed.  However if the disclosure reveals that the teacher is not totally barred, but is subject to restrictions on his or her employment the teacher can be appointed, but must not in any circumstances be placed in a post that would contravene those restrictions.  If an agency supplies a school with a teacher who is subject to restrictions on his or her employment, they must inform the head teacher of those restrictions.

6.                  Under the Criminal Justice and Court Services Act 2000 certain people are disqualified from working with children.   It is a criminal offence for a disqualified person to apply for, or undertake, any work in a “regulated position”, and that includes any work in a school.    It is also an offence for a person to knowingly offer a disqualified person any work in a “regulated position”.  The CRB will inform the police if a request for a Disclosure reveals that a disqualified person is seeking work with children.

 

I think it a sad situation that someone should be forever denied the chance of a career working with children for past minor motoring offences [non-drink driving, speeding etc].

 

A first important step for anyone in the situation you describe, would be to check and ensure that the information held on the Police PNC and with the CRB is accurate. 



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THANKS MAGPIE for the info you provided ill still keep going anyway till i get where i want to be, sometimes i think they open their mouths and let their bellys rumble.

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Good luck JKANE6364.  Be tenacious, optimistic and pay little attention to the obstacles in your path.  

 

 

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Excellent work Magpie


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Basic Disclosure Online (BDO)

Disclosure Scotland has provided the following facility to make it simpler to apply for Basic Disclosures.  It is not currently possible to apply for Standard or Enhanced Disclosures online although this is subject to review.

In order to make an online application for a Basic Disclosure, your current address must be in the United Kingdom and you must have been resident at this address for more than 12 months.  If your current address does not satisfy these criteria, or if you have opted not to be included on the published electoral role, then please apply using the paper application form.  This is a requirement of our identity verification procedures.

The BDO process has been designed to be user friendly and easy to complete.  At the foot of the BDO instructions page (as shown on the following link) you will find a button which, when pressed, will take you directly to the online application.

To access the BDO Application, please click on BDO below

BDO

 

As an alternative to the above BDO instruction page, you may wish to view these updated NOTES which will assist you in completing BDO.  It may be beneficial for you to print out the notes for reference purposes.  Once you have read these notes you should proceed to the Start Application link at the foot of the BDO instructions page.

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Cardinal requests sectarian crime details...

THE HEAD of the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland has called for the release of detailed statistics regarding sectarian hate crimes in Scotland.

Cardinal Keith O'Brien said efforts to address sectarian violence have been hindered by a lack of information provided by the Crown Office.

In a public letter, Cardinal O'Brien asked the Lord Advocate whether Protestants or Catholics are at the receiving end of most abuse, and how much sectarian violence is actually linked to football.

The Crown Office has kept religious hate-crime statistics since 2003. But while statistics released in 2004 included a detailed breakdown of offences against Catholics and Protestants, figures published since only revealed the overall number of religious hate crimes. A spokeswoman said the detailed 2004 figures came from a specially commissioned snapshot, which has not been repeated.

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disturbing news Jo, surely there must be some sort of mistake, it sounds as if they have checked if you have a criminal record, found out you have, and knocked you back without firstly looking at what your convictions were for. Usual neglegence by the burocratic numbsculls, you keep in there girl sure you'll get something eventually. Love your new afatar, i see from your details you are from Ayrshire too, I was born in Irvine, lived in Killie, Ayr, Irvine, Kilwinning and Stewarton through the years. I have some contacts in the social services in Killie and Irvine if you want me to put in a word.



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Hi McG wish there was a mistake I showed them disclosure motoring offences but i think theres something else up ive got something going on McG and people wont like it. I was also doing some volunteer work at the local nick, thats went too....something not right here. IM too open and straight up for some folk.

Anyway McG I come from Ayr originally worked in a couple of pubs in Killie (MENTAL)   Had a laugh at your drongan thing ive been there too there MAD!!! I honestly dont know how that aviator got changed ive never seen that pic! ill change it to mine see if you like it!

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DONT EVER GIVE UP JO, YOU'LL GET IN THERE, I REMEMBER SOCIAL WORKERS WHEN I WAS A WEE BOY, WEE CREEPY GUYS USUALLY, I WONDER WHAT THEIR KIND ANSWER WHEN THEY ARE ASKED "WHY THEY WANT THE JOB".YOU, TO ME SOUND LIKE THE IDEAL CANDIDATE FOR SOCIAL WORK.YOU HAVE A FAMILY AND YOU KNOW THE SENSE OF REALITY WITHIN SOCIETY. HALF OF THESE MUGS WHO ARE SOCIAL WORKERS ARE BLOODY RECLUSES AND DONT KNOW HOW SOCIETY OPERATES.IF I WAS IN CHARGE NO ONE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A JOB AS A SOCIAL WORKER UNLESS THEY HAD KIDS.

 

PS . DID YOU KNOW THAT DRONGAN IS THE ONLY VILLAGE IN SCOTLAND WITH A POLIS STATION , WHAT BOOZERS DID YOU WORK IN, MAYBE I KNOW YOU, THE ONLY BARMAID I CAN REMEMBER CALLED JO WAS OUT AT CROSSHOUSE A PUB CALLED THE FISHER, AROUND 1988. 



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want to work in criminal justice McG.

worked in the blackbull in killie and the bellfield tavern, then took on a lease at braehead tavern. Blackbull i loved cause they were all rough and ready and you knew what you were gettin the murray bar was shut at the time. hated the braehead sleekit gits.....but thats ok i soon sorted them

   



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by the way Mc G was irvine social services that told me that north ayrshire wouldnt employ me was gonna do temporary while at uni but never mind I`ll just keep going started uni this week I never do things the easy way, was told i had to pick another two subjects apart from Psychology soooooooo dafty here took social policy and wait for it........SPANISH.......MUST BE OFF MY HEAD......ill give it a go though hehehe 

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i shared a flat with 3 spanish when i wa at uni, its pretty difficult, its like french, al the male and female shit, mind you i wasnt interested in learning as i knew they could all speak english, i'm of to ma mates villa in st paula for 2 weeks at xmas so ill test you once i get back

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disturbing news Jo, surely there must be some sort of mistake, it sounds as if they have checked if you have a criminal record, found out you have, and knocked you back without firstly looking at what your convictions were for. Usual neglegence by the burocratic numbsculls, you keep in there girl sure you'll get something eventually. Love your new afatar, i see from your details you are from Ayrshire too, I was born in Irvine, lived in Killie, Ayr, Irvine, Kilwinning and Stewarton through the years. I have some contacts in the social services in Killie and Irvine if you want me to put in a word.

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