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gmac

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I would like to know what people's opinion's are on Freedom of Information applications are, and if anyone has applied to get any information from a government organization.

My experience of this has been terrible and as far as I am concerned they may be opening the doors but they ain't letting us through, and this was information about a family member who has passed away.

 

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 gmac , hi , this is just another example of our police state, there is no democracy in this country , we are conned all the time ,  stalin is alive and well in this country, its no better than communist russia was      !!!!


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Freedom of Information is but a mere three words it is by putting the facts that the public want and not what they will be given.

 

Where as the F.O.I. act was introduced by the government for the PEOPLE as a smokescreen and an absolute FARCE. 


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In the states recently the c.i.a. spent seven years sifting through all government documents and 'retreived' 50,000 documents from the system they felt may 'harm' the c.i.a. . I think we can all rest assured that anything the c.i.a. in the states can do..... the authorities here can and have done also.

 

Other than that, the government here will only release to the public whatever information it deems 'safe' to release, nobody should have any doubt about that. The act should be renamed 'The Freedom of (Some) Information' Act. Bilko


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Hi All... thanks for your posts regading the Freedom of Information act, although I was more inclined to go with Bilko's interpretation of the 'Freedom of (some) Information Act.  A 'smokescreen' is a good analogy of this 'act', as it not only allows the public to hear what they want, but also  hides the REAL truth, which would not only be shocking, but I believe, very damaging. 


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Hi GMAC... in response to your post regarding 'freedom of information' - I have checked out some websites, and one which claims to be able to access all information:  The Freedom of Information Act and how to use it to find the information that you need can be found at:  http://www.accessall.info/ - hope this helps, and let us know how you get on.


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Give the people who want what is rightly theirs and cut out the RED-TAPE by asking The Lord Advocate and the Executive what they can give and cannot give!

 

Where is there exactly the FOI in that when its censored then filtered then decontaminated before the information they provide resembles someone else's request as YOU will not get what you are looking for unless it is in favor of those who currently hold it.

 

Stick with the fight GMAC you are not alone!


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The freedom of info is a right and if there is a problem getting what you want then something must be in it they don't want you to see so hows that freedom of information then?

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Hi REAL1... thanks for your post. Good point on the Freedom of Information Act. Admin's opinion is that the 'Freedom of Information' Act, is so aptly named, as to pacify the general public that there is something 'in place' that will provide them with anything they need to know, should they need to know it.  However, what is becoming increasingly obvious, is that such a title is nothing more than a smokescreen - if they have something to hide, then they won't tell you.  Freedom of Information?  My arse.   


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Moderator and Admin have this spot on.

 

Seeking information from the Freedom OF Information act?  Forget it, as the act now stands its a complete charade, you will only be given access to documents the government deem unimportant, uncontroversial and not likely to cause embarrassment to the SYSTEM. 

 

If you are looking for some light-weight information you may well get it, but only when as Moderator suggests, the information is adequately vetted, filtered, and approved 'ready for public consumption' will it be forth coming. Bilko


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I concur fully with Bilko this notion of free access to the people who want change and to know what is on their file must be given full access then you will here words like 'ongoing inquiry, in the interests of national security etc...

 

F.O.I. is a FARCE.


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Hi All... here is an interesting article which relates to the Freedom of Information Act, which I obtained from http://www.disclosurescotland.co.uk and is as follows:

 

SAMPLE POLICY ON THE RECRUITMENT OF EX-OFFENDERS

 

OFFENDERS

Part V of the Police Act 1997 is aimed at helping employees and other organisations assess the suitability of applicants for particular posts and to make safer recruitment decisions in relation to positions of trust by widening access to criminal record information.

 

The Act also provides for a Code of Practice to be published by Ministers governing the use of all information issued in respect of Standard and Enhanced Disclosures.  The Code requires all recipients of such Disclosure information to comply with the Code and to use that information properly and fairly.  Where conviction or other information is revealed as part of the Disclosure process, that information must not be used to unfairly discriminate against individuals when considering them for positions.

 

Employers and others who make use of the Disclosure scheme are expected to have a written policy on the recruitment of such individuals, which can be given to applicants for positions where a Disclosure is requested, and to ensure that any body or individual, at whose request applications for Standard and Enhanced Disclosures are countersigned, has such a written policy.

 

Disclosure Scotland, as part of its compliance audit procedures, should be provided on request with copies of organisations’ policies.  We may require changes to be made to such policies.

 

Disclosure Scotland has produced the following sample policy statement to assist organisations who do not already have such a policy in complying with the Code of Practice.

 

Policy Statement

 

1.         [Insert your Organisation Name] complies fully with the Code of Practice, issued by Scottish Ministers, in connection with the use of information provided to registered persons and other recipients of information by Disclosure Scotland under Part V of the Police Act 1997, for the purposes of assessing applicants' suitability for positions of trust.  We undertake to treat all applicants for positions fairly and not to discriminate unfairly against the subject of a Disclosure on the basis of conviction or other information revealed.

 

2.         We have a written policy on the recruitment of ex-offenders, which is made available to all Disclosure applicants at the outset of the recruitment process.

 

3.         We are committed to equality of opportunity, to following practices, and to providing a service which is free from unfair and unlawful discrimination.  We ensure that no applicant or member of staff is subject to less favourable treatment on the grounds of gender, marital status, race colour, nationality, ethnic or national origins, age, sexual orientation, responsibilities for dependants, physical or mental disability, or offending background, or is disadvantaged by any condition which cannot be shown to be relevant to performance.

 

4.         [Insert your Organisation Name] actively promotes equality of opportunity for all with the right mix of talent, skills and potential, and welcomes applications from a wide range of candidates, including those with criminal records.  The selection of candidates for interview will be based on skills, qualifications and experience.

 

5.         We will request a Standard or Enhanced Disclosure only where this is considered proportionate and relevant to the particular position.  This will be based on a thorough risk assessment of that position.  Where a Disclosure is deemed necessary for a post or position, all applications forms, job adverts, careers literature, website and any other appropriate literature will contain a statement that a Disclosure will be requested in the event of the individual being offered the position.

 

6.         Where a Disclosure is to form part of the recruitment process, [insert your Organisation Name] will encourage all applicants selected for interview to provide details of their criminal record at an early stage in the application process.  We ask that this information be sent under separate, confidential cover, to a designated person within [insert your Organisation Name] and we guarantee that this information will only be seen by those who need to see it as part of the recruitment process.

 

7.         In line with the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974, [insert your Organisation Name] will only ask about convictions which are defined as "unspent" in terms of that Act, unless the nature of the position is such that we are entitled to ask questions about an individual's entire criminal record.

 

8.         At interview, or under separate discussion, we undertake to ensure an open and measured discussion on the subject of any offences or other matters that might be considered relevant for the position concerned.  Failure to reveal information that is directly relevant to the position sought could lead to withdrawal of an offer of employment.

 

9.         We undertake to discuss any matter revealed in a Disclosure with the subject of that Disclosure before withdrawing a conditional offer of employment.

 

10.       We ensure that all those in [insert your Organisation Name] who are involved in the recruitment process have been suitably trained to identify and assess the relevance and circumstances of offences.  We also ensure that they have received appropriate guidance and training in the relevant legislation relating to employment of ex-offenders (e.g. the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974).

 

11.       We undertake to make every subject of a Disclosure aware of the existence of the Code of Practice, and to make a copy available on request.


HAVING A CRIMINAL RECORD WILL NOT NECESSARILY DEBAR YOU FROM WORKING WITH [insert your ORGANISATION NAME].  THIS WILL DEPEND ON THE NATURE OF THE POSITION, TOGETHER WITH THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND BACKGROUND OF YOUR OFFENCES.

 


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The only 'outcome' from a request for information under the Freedom of Information or Data Protection Act is the shredded paper that comes 'out' of the SHREDDING machines!........can you hear all those whirring shredders in the Police Force now 

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Hi Magpie... thanks for your post.  I'm certain that I can hear the whirring of the shredding machines within certain forces... but I'm positive that I can also hear the ball-bearings rattling about in their empty brains too...


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One can also smell the furnace and the small innocuous fires in ones back garden with CRUCIAL MATERIAL being destroyed.

 

One can also smell the pungent fumes emanating from JACK'S COPPER CRACK.


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