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Mr Ferris has obviously pissed off a couple of people and here is one of them.
We have left his entire diatribe against Mr Ferris so that others can read the venom spewing from what this intellectual genius has to say.
A constructive argument is fine but this guy claims to be the voice of Scotland (Self appointment) and no doubt loves the way the POLICE are running the place.
So here is HIS view on Mr Ferris : http://www.tombrownscotland.com but who is he?
THIS Q and A appears on the ‘m-people’ page of the http://www.ALLmediascotland.com site – prime source for the REAL gen on what’s happening in the Scottish media, plus daily press reviews, contacts, diary events, etc. Your name? Tom Brown
Y our title? Freelance writer.
Your organisation? Self-employed – but increasingly I’m becoming a slave to my website http://www.tombrownscotland.com It’s trying to take over my life.
Your industry? Newspapers and occasional broadcasting.
How long been in current post? Since I ‘retired’ from the Daily Record in 2003.
How long been in industry? 53 years! The Queen and I started our jobs on the same day, when my first job as a junior reporter in Kirkcaldy was to go and hear her Proclamation of Accession read from the Toon Ha’. It wasn’t official until she was declared Queen in Kirkcaldy. I may abdicate when she does – but it’s become a contest to see who lasts longer.
How did you get involved in your industry? Having left school at 15, I delivered telegrams and worked as office boy in a local solicitor’s office. I applied for two jobs, one in the savings bank and the other in the district office of Thomson-Leng Publications, Dundee. I was offered an interview for both on the same day and went for the junior reporter’s job - luckily, I got it. I didn’t know it at the time but it was the best training any journalist could have, working for the Courier, Evening Telegraph, People’s Journal, Sporting Post and Sunday Post. On a training spell, I even got to write balloons for Desperate Dan – since then, my career has been downhill …
Your professional highlight/lowlight of the last five years? Highlight: Apart from still being in demand after ‘retirement’, becoming a ‘blogger’. The activity report shows the website has had nearly 17,000 hits (an average of 80 per day) from all over and the number from government and Parliament sources is interesting. Also, being asked to have it archived by the National Libraries Consortium as ‘an important part of our documentary heritage for researchers in the future. God help them!
Lowlight: The number of old friends and colleagues who are starting to appear in obituary columns.
What makes you most proud about your organisation and industry? The way the media, but especially newspapers, keep renewing themselves. The new talent that comes through is every bit as good as we ever were – and probably better, because more adaptable.
How could your organisation and industry 'improve'? Standards, standards, standards. Editors, desk executives and backbenches are demanding (which usually means bullying) journalists into doing things which are cheap and unacceptable – and it’s showing in the product.
What have these last twelve months been like for your organisation and for your industry? I’m doing fine, thank you. Newspapers are fighting to hold their share of a shrinking market, without asking obvious questions about why the market is shrinking.
What is your industry like now compared to five years ago? See the above two answers.
What challenges does your organisation face over the coming year? Ditto the industry? For me personally, at my age, survival is the name of the game. Ditto the industry. Are there issues facing your organisation by virtue of the fact it is based in Scotland? Having divided my years between London and Scotland, believe me, Scotland is best!
THE TRUTH - LIKE IT OR NOT ...
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HOW sad it is when you find an old friend rolling around in the gutter with low-life vermin. Even more depressing when they know exactly what they are doing and glorify the scum who make other folks’ lives miserable.
That is exactly the case with my old paper, the Daily Record. Presumably to try to widen the steadily-closing sales gap between itself and the Sun, the Record has serialised a book by the repellent Paul Ferris, a would-be anti-hero figure of Glasgow’s so-called ‘underworld’.
Ferris is a self-styled gangland enforcer, self-confessed junkie, self-pitying long-time jailbird and self-publicising hypocrite, now seeking to make money from his tales of viciousness and violence.
There was a time when no self-respecting newspaper would have given the likes of Paul Ferris a by-line (far less used him in a TV commercial) without thoroughly de-lousing, disinfecting and fumigating the office and all who came in contact with him.
Whatever happened to the ethic that the media should not assist criminals to profit from their crimes? The Record has an answer to that, but it is pathetically inadequate – and I cannot believe that any of the paper’s executives, all intelligent people, really believe a word of it.
Ill-advised newspapers foster the image that these low-lifes are actually colourful Runyonesque characters. They are OK guys as long as they keep the violence among themselves; if they’re busy carving each other up and wiping each other out, they’re doing no harm to the general populace.
Wrong. They exist in a world of drugs, thievery, money-lending, extortion and sadistic enforcement that blights the lives of tens of thousands of victims in hell-hole communities.
For the Record not only to publish Ferris’s drivelling self-justification and give it a sympathetic treatment was a gross error of judgement. To use his scarred visage on peak-time Sunday night TV as the face of the Daily Record was grotesque.
Even more sickening was the publisher’s poster on bus shelters throughout Glasgow, depicting Paul Ferris squinting at passers-by down the barrels of a shotgun. What message does that send?
Trinity Mirror knew what they were doing when they took the commercial decision to move the Record down-market. They did not have to leave standards and ethics behind; as the paper has shown through decades of big-selling success, the Record could manage to be popular, bright and appealing without descending into the Glasgow sewers.
Naturally, given the pre-publicity, the Sun carried the predictable ‘spoiler’ with a Page One story that an even worse Glasgow hoodlum had beaten up the softie Ferris with a golf club. This triggered the equally-predictable, and ill-advised, response in the Record’s opinion column – which began by admitting that Ferris ‘is not a nice man’!!!
(The !!! is mine, along with the addition of any flabbergasted four-letter words you care to add.)
The ‘Record View’ went on: “However, Ferris has not been interviewed by the police in the past four years. It appears he is trying to reform his life.
“He spent 14 years in prisons and if his views on life on the inside can benefit or improve the system then he deserves to be heard.
“Only by understanding the criminal mind can we prevent future generations from starting down the same road Ferris travelled.”
The Record compounded this humbuggery by publishing a letter from a reader, praising Ferris as “ a concerned citizen”. Pardon me while I puke …
Here’s a letter from this concerned citizen:
We already understand the criminal mind. Ferris and his ilk are through-and-through bad bastards, immoral and amoral, and no amount of ‘understanding’ will change them. And the only way to stop future generations from emulating them is NOT to build them up as pseudo cult figures.
The only proper attitude of a decent newspaper to Ferris and his ilk is to report their wrongdoings and rejoice in their punishment; and if, by some freak of justice, they are set free, then they should be ignored and left to fester in their own sleaze-pit.
In the patois of the readership to which you are appealing: Geezabrek!.
(Nice one Paul you pissed this old fcuk-er right off and no doubt many others like him )
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BROWN MOUTH #2 LAW & ORDER:
Please note the absence of the words 'POLICE CORRUPTION' or even ' WRONGDOING'
BROWN & OUT
CALL me a big feartie but I’m beginning to feel someone’s going to get me. You must have felt it, too …
It’s that uneasy sensation that there are just too many mad, bad and dangerous people out there - and those who are supposed to protect US and put THEM behind bars are just not up to the job.
I know it’s verging on the neurotic, but anyone living in Scotland these days is bound to worry about the personal safety of ourselves and those nearest and dearest to us.
Not so long ago, I would have said anyone feeling like that should go and see a shrink. But just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.
Law and order should be clear-cut. Right gets upheld and wrong gets punished – and, above all, the public are protected. But that isn’t what seems to be happening in Scotland at the moment.
Every week brings new evidence that government and the law-and-order services are failing us. There is a breakdown in confidence in the system that is supposed to ensure our safety.
That is why we were appalled, but not surprised, by the case of James Smith who put a bag over a friend’s head and smashed his skull to a pulp as they walked in a public park.
A man with a history of mental problems, he had been released from Leverndale Hospital – and a damning wise-after-the-event report list a catalogue of failings by the authorities.
A growing list of scandals shows our criminal justice system is in a mess. The Shirley McKie case has made the Scottish Fingerprint service a laughing stock.
Last week’s Taggart showed a suspect ‘fessing up because Strathclyde’s fictional finest said: “We’ve got your fingerprints on a mobile phone.” Only TV ‘tecs would get away with that these days; in real life any criminal with a grain of sense would immediately challenge fingerprint evidence as tainted.
There’s the investigation of Fife Constabulary after the court finding that two men who have spent ten years in jail for murder because of "grave misconduct" and a senior detective now branded a liar.
And the doubts raised over the Arlene Fraser murder which may lead to her husband Nat walking free because of alleged ‘cover-ups’ during his trial.
Meanwhile, Justice Minister Cathy Jamieson flaps her hands and says next-to-nothing, because she might reveal her lack of fitness for the post. As a social worker, she may have been good at wiping clients’ noses and patting them on the head, but that is no qualification for being in charge of nation-wide law-and-order.
Lord Advocate Colin Boyd is qualified, but arrogantly over-rides all criticism and concern.
Early release and re-offending rates make a mockery of so-called punishment. Lawbreakers know they’ll only serve a fraction of their sentence and six out of ten offenders are re-convicted within two years of leaving prison.
The serious headline-grabbing crime is bad enough, but what is really worrying is the low-level wrong-doing that blights all our lives. There’s a whole festering sub-stratum of society in Scotland that lives off drugs, theft and violence – at the expense of the decent, law-abiding people.
Our most notorious ‘family from hell’, the Haney clan of Raploch in Stirling, are all-too-typical. Big Ma Haney, after 15 years of blatant defiance of the law, is doing 12 years for drug trafficking; her daughter Valerie is serving five years for the same crime.
Now her 19-year grandson Thomas has got two years in youth custody for theft and armed robberies - he rode through town on a BMX bike holding up people at the point of a Samurai sword like some modern highwayman.
The court was told he felt his lifestyle was ‘the norm’ due to his criminal upbringing.
Multiply the Haneys by the thousand and you have some idea of the vermin who infest housing schemes up and down the land.
Am I worried? Should you be? You bet!
ferrisconspiracy view: What about TOMMY (TC) CAMPBELL & JOE STEELE? and the VERMIN you make reference of are the POLICE OFFICERS WHO FABRICATED THEM for a MASS MURDER.
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hi hammers6. love him or hate him youve got to take your hat of to him as hes the only one who.s got the arsehole to expose the corruption at strathclyde headquarters
i wish i had the help to expose a few things and mark peoples cards.when i was reading what this tom brown had said his quote is he started of as an office boy then went on to do ballons for cartoon comics best hes go,s back to doing what hes best at. as for rolling in the gutter.seems mr brown is more than likley rolling round the locker room with strathclydes finest corrupt vermin.this fella seems he dont only wont blood he wonts to chew on bones aswell.ive allways told my kids from an early age bald head and glasses are coopers or grasses.so mr brown yeah yeah yeah weve heard it all before but excuse me we heard it from the masters voice first when we read hes books.hammers6 thankyou for enlightening us on this came accross mr browns e mail and shall give him some home truths and tell him you meet the same people going up the ladder as you do going down.
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Tom Brown, Peter Cox and Anna Smith are alleged journalists and editorial staff.
The latter is a backstabbing lying bitch and the other two are just backstabbers who will protect the
POLICE from ANY allegations of MASS CORRUPTION.
Don't worry though you will read the
FACTS here on ferrisconspiracy.com and not the evangelical froth that flows from the own self righteous mouths of others.
ALL encourage FREEDOM of SPEECH & EXPRESSION although we ALL love the TRUTH better.
OK Paul Ferris was a bad guy and has since moved on in life and its a pity that people like
BROWN,COX,SMITH & others will never leave it at that.
If you want to post something more constructive criticising Paul Ferris now is the time to do so.
We have ALL read the same crap for long enough and Brown's pathetic attempt to sway others views on Paul is by far the biggest load of
BULLSHIT I have read to date.
However we cannot have
FREEDOM of EXPRESSION without the ODDBALL or two popping up although we do give individuals choices to make on who to believe or what was the hidden agenda behind the stories?
My own belief is that it was intended to keep the PUBLIC focused on easy targets whilst the
REAL CRIMINALS ( Strathclyde Police) have been getting away with fabricating the innocents for years.
REAL shame lies with those who had the power to expose them and did nothing.......ain't that right BROWN & CO
came accross mr browns e mail and shall give him some home truths and tell him you meet the same people going up the ladder as you do going down." Nice one Linda " :firstname.lastname@example.org __________________ FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS
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January 2001 Tom ‘Brigadier’ Brown Publication: ScotsGay Magazine
First Minister Henry McLeish said he wanted to reach out to ‘ordinary people’. By appointing the Daily Record’s hack Tom Brown to be his speechwriter, you have to wonder what kind of people he had in mind. McLeish had to be stopped by the Liberal Democrats, partners in the Scottish Executive coalition, from appointing Tom Brown as a special adviser! Arrogant, sexist, homophobic: Brown’s rant spews from the Daily Record while the tabloid’s circulation plummets.
Tom Brown is an ex-religious affairs correspondent. Better known as ‘pop Brown’ or the ‘Brigadier’ to readers of ScotsGay magazine’s Scottish Media Monitor, earning his nickname from the comments he once made on his days in the Boys’ Brigade. "...We Boys’ Brigaders goose-stepped to our drill hall, we always regarded the rival youth army as ‘cissies...’ none of that nonsense for your decidedly butch Boys’ Brigade members. Our uniform was... spit-and-polish boots, a belt and sparkling buckle... In Kirkcaldy we were so manly we refused to wear the pansy little pillbox hat. Nothing nancy-boy there. And DEFINITELY no hanky-panky in the well-drilled ranks - or out of them."
His opinions of "sad minorities", gays, and their "sad, seedy perversions" have earned him few friends amongst the gay community. It’s not hard to see why. "While we’ve now got to accept homosexuality…" he whined, "flaunting homosexuality and setting it up as a model of acceptable public behaviour is something, I believe, most people are uncomfortable with. Yet is happening".
Gay visibility is not something Tom Brown has ever felt very comfortable with. He once wrote: "private lives shouldn’t be public… Flaunting homosexuality and setting it up as a role model of acceptable behaviour is something I believe, most people are uncomfortable with". But how does this square with the time when agricultural minister, Nick Brown was ‘outed’ by the press? Tom Brown wrote it was "proof that the sexuality of politicians is not completely off-limits" and insisted: "Neither should it be". And before anyone knew that the MP who voted against an equal age of consent and supported the ban on gays serving in the military, Michael Portillo, was no stranger to lifting a bit of chemise himself, Brown stormed indignantly under the header: "PINK POWER… THE PARTY NO-ONE VOTED FOR… How many voters of… Enfield Southgate, where Twigg ousted Michael Portillo - KNEW they were voting in a homosexual MP?"
No gay MP can escape Brown’s homophobia: "When I started in national newspapers", he recalls, "we were expected to wear dark suits, white shirts and plain ties… But are we really ready for Peter Mandelson straight from clubbing in his Julian Clary gear? When they start carrying handbags, I’m changing my vote". After learning gay MP, Chris Smith and his partner cooked for each other, he was mortified: "What are we to make of this muddled message the government are sending?" (That they cooked for each other)? And after two men committed suicide following police surveillance of a toilet in Stirling, he scoffed: "Unfortunate - but neither the police or society are to blame..." He thundered: "I’m no prude. Live and let live is my motto. Just keep your sleaze to yourself is all I ask".
When Versace was murdered, he called it:
"THE DAY WE FORGOT OUR PRIORITIES…"
instead trumpeted the death of a
"decent Catholic girl who fell for a Protestant boy",
"Which death should have stunned us and stopped us in our tracks…? The slaughter of Bernadette should have made the Versace killing look insignificant. The dress designer’s death was just another symptom of the seedy and dangerous ‘gay’ underworld".
Tom Brown insists:
"Homosexuals cannot accept the unhappy status their way of life forces on them. They want the impossible – everything that comes with a normal, natural family relationship."
After his lover’s death, Martin Fitzpatrick had a long fight against homelessness and eviction from the flat they once shared for 20 years. On appeal, the House of Lords supported his right to occupancy. Brown wrote: "What worries me is that this will be taken as capitulation to the homosexual cause. …The signal to demand more".
Human rights have always appeared as a thorn in Brown’s foot. "The civil rights squad are squawking again..." he once cried in indignation. The late Donald Dewar’s commitment to a fair and equal Scotland riled him in equal measure. "Who are the first people you would want to help? Children? The shivering old folk? Poor families? The homeless? Homosexuals? How did they get priority…? How come an insidious minority with a perverse agenda commands the attention of a new minister…?"
As the repeal of Section 28 progressed, do did Brown’s homophobia: "Is it any wonder that there is a backlash from the majority, who say the line on decency and protection of family values has to be drawn somewhere…? We already know to steer clear of places like the ‘Pink Triangle’ in the Broughton Street area of Edinburgh and certain pubs in Glasgow and elsewhere. Isn’t that enough…? What the gay lobby and their friends in government have failed to realise is that the tolerant majority have now woken up to the fact that the increasing demands of homosexuals and their permissive pals can never be satisfied. They have decided to draw the line - here and now."
His misguided belief in some sort of gay mafia in Parliament had him in a spin over "the undue influence of a tiny self-appointed elite in politics, the media and the establishment in Scotland - and their contempt for popular feeling…" But what elite? Could he actually name any ‘out’ gay MSPs or even an ‘out’ gay opinion writer in Scotland for that matter? His assertion that "the politically-correct pink-brigade - with its advance guard in the Scottish Cabinet and Parliament", were attempting to secure special privileges is somewhat undermined now he has joined the advance guard as the First Minister, Henry McLeish’s speechwriter.
It seems that gay men in particular inspire in Brown a moral panic. "If they have their way, it won’t be safe to spend a penny. …Streets where promiscuous homosexuals pick up partners will become no-go areas. Now they have been allowed to parade down Princes Street and take over the Millennium Dome, anything goes in public".
If his words are a reflection on the new Scotland under Henry McLeish, there will be no room for "salad-munching, quiche-eating, baby-minding, dish-washing, shirt-ironing New Men" of any kind!
As for a measure on his views of women, his comments on women tennis players seeking pay parity displayed a marked insensitivity: "Yours truly is a militant feminist", he boasted, and "all for helping women to burn their bras… But the demand for pay parity for Wimbledon tennis stars, whatever their gender – and lets face it, there is frequently some doubt – should be ruled out of court… Women’s tennis may be easier on the eye… A pair of pretty young things in disco dresses, playing pit-a-pat across the net, is not the blood-and-thunder, gut-wrenching effort of a hard-fought five-setter you get in the men’s tournament. The reason they get smaller purses is not because of the standard of tennis they serve up, which is usually boring – squeak, serve, squeal, volley, then bat it back and forth, until one makes a mistake or the other feels faint or has a tantrum. The attraction of the women’s game is that it is babe tennis, in which the practitioners grow up to be the Page Three pin-ups of sport… Winners tend to be butch female Schwarzeneggers with more muscles in one thigh than most blokes have in their whole body… There is hardly a single sport in which women perform or entertain as well as men… Women’s soccer is a pale imitation, as is women’s golf. Women boxing and wrestling are an obscenity – and only sad, sick people would watch women’s rugby. You will have to work out for yourself why there are no women motor-racing drivers. The reason is too sexist to mention – even for me…"
Tom Brown’s opinion on drugs is also predictable and reactionary. Anyone supporting the legalisation of cannabis was dismissed as "mushy-minded trendies" who had just "raised the white flag in the drug war…"
Erotica had him wrapped in the plain Brown cover of prudery. "Boobs, bums and jiggly bits... Only sexually inadequate adults buy dirty magazines", he sniffed, once declaring: "Half the world’s troubles" are "caused by sex". But such abstinences doesn’t necessarily have to apply to him! When a 14-year-old lad ran off with a 33-year-old woman, he dismissed this as the "stuff of schoolboy fantasies". Apparently his. "…Especially if she wore black stockings…"
On Glasgow’s sex workers, he is profoundly judgemental. After the sixth murder of a female in Glasgow he wrote: "The common factor is that the victims have all been prostitutes, seedy whores who worked the streets of Glasgow… But the law tolerates them - even though they are the tip of a sick, sleazy, diseased sector of society…" So soon after the death of Margo Lafferty, many saw his views as cruel, intolerant and cold-blooded. He wrote: "Why are the boys in blue so concerned about the women of the streets? I only ask because it seems Scotland’s biggest force are patrolling the wrong beat - Whore Alley. Hookers are being molly-coddled by our police… Do tarts pay more council tax? Isn’t protecting prostitutes a job for pimps? Are loose-living women, who choose to put themselves in harm’s way, entitled to better protection than a decent wife…" Despite personal alarms saving one girls life, he was firmly against "public money… spent on setting up a special whore-protection unit. Or issuing attack alarms to prostitutes".
Tom ‘Brigadier’ Brown, the Daily Record’s so-called ‘voice of authority’ has now been promoted to an important position in Scottish politics. For many, his promotion will indicate that Scotland has reneged on its promise of a fairer future and has taken a backward step into a darker past. A past idealised by Tom Brown when he wrote: "Those were the days, when morals mattered, religion was front page news and Scotland listened when the Kirk thundered from the pulpit". A past that clearly inspires Henry McLeish. __________________ This & That
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what about Jimmy Boyle he went from bad guy to good guy. the paper dont slate him
so why the continual slating of Paul ?
they cant handle him going straight and doing something positive can they..rise above them Paul
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Hello Joe and you are right about others but this Muppet seems to have it in for a lot of people and some of my mates are 'GAY' and will not take too kindly to what this moron thinks about them never mind what outlandish crap he wrote about Paul Ferris.
Here is an old interview I found on a search and you will note the position he takes and I am glad I can now email him direct so watch out Mr we are not finished with you yet you homophobic bible bashing wanker!
BBC BREAKFAST WITH FROST
INTERVIEW: TOM BROWN AND JIM WHANNEL APRIL 2ND, 2000 Please note “BBC Breakfast with Frost” must be credited if any part of this transcript is used DAVID FROST: The Scottish Executive plans to repeal Section 28, the law which bans the promotion of homosexuality by local councils has come under fierce attack here in Scotland, perhaps even fiercer than in the rest of the country where it’s a hot issue as well. The millionaire businessman Brian Souter the boss of Stagecoach is personally financing a campaign to keep the Clause, he’s even prepared to spend a million pounds to fund a private referendum on whether or not to repeal it. It’s a passionate issue, one which has grabbed the headlines every day for months, particularly in Scotland and I’m joined now by Tom Brown, political commentator, leader writer of the Daily Record, Scotland’s dominantly selling daily. Top of the morning. TOM BROWN: Good morning to you. DAVID FROST: And by Jim Whannel, head teacher of a primary school in Glasgow. Tom what is the thing that drives your campaign and indeed also the Daily Record? TOM BROWN: Well… DAVID FROST: Not to repeal Section 28. TOM BROWN: Yes if I can just get out of the way, it’s impossible to have a dispassionate discussion about this because everybody immediately flies to hysterical positions, it’s one of the, as you said it’s a passionate subject. My and the newspaper’s position on it is it’s nothing to do with homophobia or bigotry as has been alleged, it’s to do with parent’s rights and the right of parents to be consulted about what their children are taught and Section 28 guaranteed that they would not be taught about homosexuality in schools, by repealing it the difference between Scotland and England is that Scottish Executive is not putting in its place anything that will reassure parents that their wishes will be consulted about what their own children are taught and we say it’s not for the government to say what, what my children are taught in school, it’s about such a sensitive subject it’s for parents to decide and if parents don’t want it taught in schools they should be able to say so. And the Brian Souter referendum has been caused by the sheer frustration of the majority of the Scottish people, they have not been properly consulted about this, it didn’t appear in the manifesto for the Scottish government elections last year, and it was such a dominant issue why wasn’t it. There was a consultation exercise which has been largely discredited and we just feel that any, the Scottish people should be given the opportunity to have their say before such a, a drastic and potentially damaging alteration is made. DAVID FROST: Right well Jim you are in fact a head teacher yourself, how do you respond to that? JIM WHANNEL: Well most of what Tom has said is really not the case in Scotland, in Scotland we have a national system, an education system which is based on guidelines, parents will have guarantees and we’re all in favour of those guidelines which will be non- discriminatory, which will affect the curriculum, that’s the guarantee parents get and they’ve had it from the Scottish Executive time and time again. It’s unfortunate that Brian Souter and some other people in Keep the Clause have whipped up a kind of debate which doesn’t exist. They’ve created from their own billboards and from their press adverts fears about things which have never happened in schools, there is not one single school which is in the whole of Scotland which has done the things which are appearing in these billboards, none of them, it never has happened and never will happen. Guidelines will ensure that that is a safety net for all schools and for all Scottish parents but I’m afraid to say that underneath this debate is not really the education it’s about prejudice and discrimination…that’s really what this is about. DAVID FROST: One of the things about this issue is the points can be used in either direction, when you say that Section 28 has never been used in Scotland and never been used in England, the, the response presumably would be well that shows how effective it is? JIM WHANNEL: Absolutely not, this is the only country in the whole world which has got a Section 28, in the Republic of Ireland, in other countries in Europe there’s no equivalent of Section 28, it’s not a problem, it’s not an educational problem. Much of this debate has been hijacked by people who know nothing about education, education is formed in stable and educationally sustainable guidelines, guidelines which teachers then use to teach children for the benefit of young kids and for parents. DAVID FROST: But if it’s never been used why bother to repeal it? JIM WHANNEL: Because it’s a nasty piece of small-minded prejudice, it’s actually wider than education as well and we have seen some parts of Keep the Clause attacking gay and lesbian community organisations and the public funding of those organisations linking to Section 28. So it’s about, it’s a bit like sitting at the back of the bus in Alabama, it’s a bit like a small piece of prejudice which keeps gay and lesbian people second class citizens. DAVID FROST: Yes but most parents, most parents don’t want their children to be encouraged to become homosexual, they want marriage to be the norm, as it were, I mean how, how do they get these guarantees without that, I mean you’re saying guidelines…let me just go back to Tom, guidelines, what about guidelines. TOM BROWN: Guidelines, guidelines is the same point as if Section 28 isn’t making a difference in the schools then why all the fuss about repealing it, if it’s a dead letter let it lie, but that’s not what it’s about, we have a headmaster here talking about what, what’s important in education, surely parents must have a say in the education of the children and if, if they want guidelines why, why not, why not have them to reassure the parents. And if they want, and if there are these guidelines are to be effective why not have them enshrined in law. If Section 28 was effective, as people, seems to be admitted here, if Section 28 was effective then why not put something as effective in its place, maybe less discriminatory. But what is being, greatest objection is being taken to teaching that will say that homosexuality is as good a relationship as a normal family marriage relationship and that is patently not so. DAVID FROST: If guidelines are not enough for people would you be prepared to have a new statute? JIM WHANNEL: Absolutely not, the, the misunderstanding is about Scottish education, there are no statutory impositions in Scottish education…Section 28 is the only thing, in other words homosexuality, gay and lesbian people were singled out for some sort of discriminatory practice. A chemistry teacher had to, has, there was no legal sanction to prevent a chemistry teacher teaching children about making bombs, we don’t have laws against it, we’ve got guidelines for what chemistry courses and we have guidelines which prevent that happening. The same should happen with the personal social development and Tom’s actually mistaken when he says that parents don’t want non-discrimination in the schools, parents do not want their children taught that people are second class purely and simply because they are gay or lesbian. What they want is sensible teaching with a range of human life, including marriage as an option, but it’s not an option for everybody, it’s not an option for gay and lesbian people and there are large numbers of children who come from divorced households, from single parent households, they do not want to be told by teachers they’re in a second-class situation, you should really aim for marriage. That is the argument, the argument is about teachers not promoting anything, you don’t promote heterosexuality or homosexuality, they promote non-discrimination and fairness, that’s what they’re about. DAVID FROST: What about this referendum, do you think that will demonstrate the level of support that you’ve got? TOM BROWN: Well I think it will, it’s pretty obvious what the level of support is but this would, this would quantify in some way, a properly carried out referendum with the consultation of every electorate, every member of the electorate as is being promised by Souter and his people, yes that would, that would give a certain moral force to the argument and I have to say that there is a difference here between Scotland and England. The Westminster government, the Blair government has given the people of England certain guarantees, clauses that have been drawn up we carried in our paper, a whole foolscap sheet of concessions to the fears of parents and worries of parents. In Scotland there’s one, there’s one paragraph and all it says is that the importance of stable relationships will be promoted. DAVID FROST: And in fact, looking at the figures on the various polls Jim here, at the moment Tom has got the majority support rather than, rather than your side. JIM WHANNEL: I think that’s highly questionable, they’re going to organise an opinion poll to see if they can drum up some more support for their position. I think what’s actually happened is that hundreds of thousands of pounds, in fact millions of pounds have been spent to whip up fears about something which doesn’t really exist, there is no school promoting homosexuality, there never has been, before Section 28 it didn’t happen and it won’t happen once we get rid of this pernicious, nasty piece of legislation. If Souter is so interested in young people and education, if you give my school just one of those billboards, the money for that, then I couldn’t make a bigger effect on the education of young people… DAVID FROST: Thank you both… TOM BROWN: It’s insulting to say the people of Scotland can be bought like that. DAVID FROST: Sorry? TOM BROWN: It’s insulting to say that the people of Scotland can be bought by a billionaire’s money… DAVID FROST: They’ve got stronger opinions than that. Well thank you both very much indeed anyway, the debate, as they always say, will continue. END
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"We've got a great future behind us," proclaimed the new First Minister on Friday evening. He was among his own folk at Prestonpans Labour Party Social Club, who were in Hallowe'en party mood, who sort of knew what he was trying to say, and who gave him the benefit of any doubt. One of them, the Westminster candidate for East Lothian, thanked the prestigious visitor and his wife "from the deepest bowels of my heart". It's been just one of those weeks for Henry McLeish when nothing comes out quite right. His problem was that it was also a high-profile week, during which he had to shift from being the heir apparent to Donald Dewar, found last weekend to be less apparent than most had thought. Taking on the mantle of national leadership, it was a week which saw him, touchingly, nearly overwhelmed by emotion, but also looking increasingly like a man overwhelmed by the task he now faces. The week had its ugly side too, as Dewar's team was unceremoniously and gracelessly ousted. McLeish narrowly won the succession battle claiming to be continuing the Dewar legacy, but by the end of it, his own team were on a mission, in their words, to "dump the crap" which the late father of Scotland's Parliament had included in his policy programme. What limited amount is known about Henry Baird McLeish is that he is excellent at getting himself into selected news- papers, and almost as good at keeping out of harm's way when the flak is flying. He was true to form on both counts this week. The first hassles hit him on Sunday. An in-depth radio interview followed by television exposed him uncomfortably. His interrogators could see that voting reform for councils is going to be necessary to keep his coalition together, but on such an important matter, he flannelled, failing to find a clear position. The rest of the week saw such prolonged media exposure avoided. Tuesday was his day to sort out the problems with his backbenchers, of whom more than half seem to have voted against him in the leadership race three days before. The meeting was amicable. Having conceded the dissatisfaction among backbenchers with ministerial high-handedness, he presented proposals which would get MSPs involved in making policy and give them access to civil service advice. They liked what they heard. But oddly for McLeish, his swift departure left it to others to put their gloss on what he had just offered. And even his most ardent admirers could only conclude the result was a shambles, 48 hours before he had even become First Minister. First, the printed proposal was mistakenly circulated to the media. Then, the MSPs left to explain did not understand what had been offered. Usually keen to get on television, they scurried away. Third, the package promised privileges to Labour MSPs, but failed to concede, as ministers later had to do, that these would be afforded to opposition members too. And, fourth, he had failed to square the proposals with the civil servants themselves. Muir Russell, the head of the Executive civil service, brushed aside opposition accusations that the plans threatened to politicise his colleagues. But he also admitted that he had not been told of the plan. Already complaining of being massively overworked by the work of devolution, civil servants were appalled at the soon-to-be First Minister. The idea that MSPs could have access to them strikes at the heart of the service culture, which is built on single, simple, clear lines of responsibility up to ministers. And with confirmation on Friday that he wants MSPs to have access to civil service advice on their committee work and on the two personal bills that each are allowed to propose during the four years of the parliament term, McLeish has won the antagonism of a bureaucracy he cannot afford to alienate. The blame for the Tuesday fiasco was placed squarely on the media minder drafted in to hold the show together as Dewar's loyal spin doctor, David Whitton, got rudely sidelined, his demise wrongly reported by those close to the new First Minister as a sacking. The same sort of farewell was meted out to Dewar's head of policy, Brian Fitzpatrick, who was also wanting to leave, but was the subject of deliberately-placed negative reports on his way out the door. It may be unwise to alienate such men. Whitton was on television on Thursday night, jauntily pointing out that he had notebooks detailing all his meetings with Dewar for the past two and a half years and hinting heavily that they might make interesting reading one day. He did not have to add that the name Henry McLeish crops up repeatedly. Having tried to placate Labour backbenchers on Tuesday lunchtime, the new premier set about wooing his coalition partners on Tuesday evening. It may have been the week's high point for him, as the group entered the talks sceptically and came out reassured. The junior partners' shopping list was extensive; a higher profile for leader Jim Wallace as Deputy First Minister, particularly now the Labour leader casts less of a shadow than his predecessor, and for junior minister Nicol Stephen, whom McLeish has eclipsed while in charge of enterprise. They want Ross Finnie's rural affairs brief to have more of the environmental agenda. They also want a third special adviser's post out of the total 12 allowed. And they told McLeish he should not include in his team one of his favourite journalists, veteran Daily Record columnist Tom Brown, following 17 months of repeated tabloid monstering of the LibDems and Wallace in particular. While McLeish confirmed Brown would be part of his team, he tried to reassure the LibDems that he would only be a speech-writer. What mattered to the LibDems were the words they wanted from McLeish about their power over the coalition, particularly at a time when his insecurity in his new job will require him to be more partisan for Labour. The junior partners are aware the looming showdown over council voting reform offers an enticing escape route if the new regime goes badly wrong. "I know you've got the gun, and you can pull the trigger," McLeish told them. "I see it as my job to make sure you don't want to use it by making this work as well as possible." Despite McLeish's reputation for media-savviness, the week was more notable for cock-ups. The difficult interviews followed by the Tuesday farce were only the start. There followed an odd episode in which he offered his favourite four tabloids exclusive interviews with his wife, Julie. But when they discovered each other had the "exclusives", they all backed out in the huff. And then there was the bizarre matter of Tom Brown's article in the New Statesman, published on Thursday: McLeish's speech-writer and kitchen cabinet member authoritatively reporting in the past tense about a cabinet reshuffle and policy announcements which had not taken place. It was a stupid, unforced gaffe for McLeish to have been so clearly desperate to curry favour with his favourite hack. But his closeness to Tom Brown says much about the administration tone we can expect, if McLeish chooses friends who trumpet their macho, populist, politically incorrect tabloid credentials. __________________ One of these days.....
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Nice one madmax
Here is another RANT by BROWN on NATIONALISM & All things Scottish.....oh and name calling too.
The more I read about this failed journalist is his egotistical approach to matters the more I get a whiff of him and his kin.
Those of your that weren't around early on in the CEP won't remember the outlandish and unfounded prejudice that was encountered by CEP members every day. For those of you that are becomming frustrated with the apparent lack of progress here's an article from the archives - Tom Brown writing in the Daily Record; Oct 6, 1998:
UGLY WORDS FROM THE LITTLE ENGLANDERS; TOM BROWN detects a nasty breed of nationalism in growing conference demands for an English Parliament. The Tories campaigning here for an English parliament claim all they want is equal billing to us Scots. Sounds fair enough. But when you start listening to what the Campaign for an English Parliament are actually saying, things begin to get ugly. Supporters of the Norfolk-based "Little Englanders" say their aim is to "restore confidence and self-respect to the people of England". But the group's literature is guilty of swooping into the realms of English eccentricity. They predict that the lack of an English Parliament will cause "instability and friction".
How eccentric of us; how wrong we weren't. Having referred to us as Little Englanders Tom ends his piece with a marvellous piece of hypocrisy that will live on forever in the annals of crap journalism.
And what is the English identity? England is even more of a "mongrel nation" than the Scots and the parliament would be riven by rival regional factions. We Scots won't grudge the English having their say in their own affairs, any more than they should grudge us. But they had better do it without the nasty, unneighbourly name-calling. There has never been any name calling in CEP literature. __________________ FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS
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Sunday, September 24, 2006
The lad's done his time - so now he's free to torture us in rhyme.
DESPITE claiming to have turned his back on violent crime, former Glasgow gangster Paul Ferris is persisting in his one-man campaign to murder the English language. 'Free verse' Ferris, the co-author of a number of works of fiction, including, probably, his own life story, this week published a poem to mark the 15th anniversary of the gangland murder of his pals Bobby Glover and Joe 'Bananas' Hanlon, so called because of his fondness for the famous fruit.
Ferris's ode begins: "Once was here, now is gone, I will always love forever. The laughs, the tears, the smiles, with Joe Hanlon and Bobby Glover." Good stuff. Not only does it rhyme, it nearly scans as well.
Moving on, Ferris notes, movingly, that "like any kind of love, friendship can be lost... due to neglect or anger, or simply circumstances". Circumstances? Well, I suppose it's one way to describe your best mates being gunned down in the street.
We should not be too hard on Ferris, a sinner who repents and all that.
Yet, if he could only be persuaded to put down his pen as well as his sword, the world really would be a much better place.
posted by Paul Stokes @ 10:23 AM
An alleged journalist windbag and the ubiquitous chip on his shoulder: Name:Paul Stokes Location:Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom
I am a kind of journalist who lives in Glasgow. I got into this lark by accident after taking a temporary clerking job in a small magazine company. I transmuted that into a reporting role which led me into newspapers. I once worked as a Mr Angry columnist on a tabloid but soon discovered I was more a Mr Mildly Annoyed. I currently write a column for Scotland on Sunday.
once gave a best man's speech which the manager of the reception venue described as the best best man's speech he had ever heard. I am available for weddings, funerals and bar mitzvahs.
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Paul AKA Strokes was once a Daily Record columnist and comes as no surprise when he has a go at Paul Ferris trying to destroy the ENGLISH LANGUAGE!
The best man's speech award is his only claim to fame in ENGLISH LANGUAGE and he gave his own review to it...tut,tut.
The manager of the reception venue was an ex- WW2 German soldier with a hearing problem
This plonker's column is not too bad to be fair but his expertise with the English language is very questionable.....Just ask the old WW2 venue manager.
QUOTE OF THE YEAR:
"I am one of Scotland's least respected journalists. I started this blog today because I was a bit bored and slightly hungover. At the moment it's actually more my cuttings library really, but you are welcome to look around and borrow anything you like. Just make sure you bring it back."
Paul Stokes 7th May 2006.
Books are the legacies that a great genius leaves to mankind, which are delivered down from generation to generation as presents to the posterity of those who are yet unborn. Joseph Addison __________________ FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS
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The 'blogosphere' is unimaginably diverse (there are more than 10 million of them out there) and blogs - like books and newspapers - come in every conceivable shape, type and quality.
There are thoughtful blogs, silly blogs, truthful blogs, fanatical blogs, ideological blogs, biased blogs, knowledgeable blogs - just as there are thoughtful, silly, fanatical, ideological, biased and knowledgeable books.
Not to mention newspapers and magazines: when was the last time you believed anything you read in the Sunday Sport ?
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another wannabe journalist just like tom brown.except this ones having it so hard hes offering his services at weddings and funnerals and bar mitzas.shows how hard up he is maybe he should offer hes services halloween night and go out trick or treating he earn a right few quid he dont even need a mask.ive just read one of hes claim to fame stories on hes web page police in sterling giving someone 117 allegations of motoring offences.**is that the best you can do* another guttless wonder dont wont to expose strathclydes corruption
it just shows you how bitter and twisted this tom brown and paul stokes are keep popping someone of cause they dedicate a poem to there friends obviously they dont value there friends or maybe they aint got none my message to them is get a life you pair of boring old b******s. your just a pair of old has beens thats never been.and never will be to you expose all the corrupt goings on at strathclyde headquarters.
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Mr S**te i mean Brown should be thoroughly ashamed of himself, of course he won't be but i'm sure his mother is!!! How dare he speak like that of Mr Ferris's poem to his deceased friends! That was written from this mans heart and no-one on this planet has any right to display such disgraceful words about it...and no real man would! The words i've read, even though i'd love to read the whole poem.. ( what's the chances H6?)...are loving and beautiful.
Brown may think he's a critic ( no c**t else does) but that is no excuse for his sick words. His surname is in fact very apt of that stinking s***e he 'spews' from his very own ugly mouth, i'd say a career in the stables or something else familiar to him would make himself and the rest of Scotland very happy indeed! Scumbag.
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Here is the entire content of the poem in question:
In loving memory of Bobby Glover & Joe Hanlon
Like any other kind of love, friendship can be lost within our lives due to neglect or anger or, sometimes, simply circumstances. However it is lost,
we often lose a part of ourselves that can never quite be recovered.
Once was here now is gone I will always Love forever. The laughs the tears the smiles without Joe Hanlon & Bobby Glover.
We miss you both we cry we see you both what ever went wrong.
We can mend I will always love forever my very best friends.
An echo fades into the night,an eerie mournful sound. A shooting star disappears from sight,and I crumble to the ground.
There is no life within this garden;my sobs are the only sound. I have poisoned the honeyed fountain where our friendship could be found. Dazed, I stare at the stars above,my grieving howls fill the night!
Intended betrayal of others has hidden you from our sight.
We remember how it used to be when we shared our fears and delights. You both are treasured friends to me. How can I make things right? Feeling afraid, cold and lonely,I long to tell you how I feel, Others don’t want to hear me.The pain for you both is much too real.
Should I back away and build a wall and block away how I feel? Or, should I give you two this message. We all need some time to heal. An echo fades into the night as our friendship disappears. How do I know what is right? How can I ease my fears? We all miss you both we cry we see you both what ever went wrong.
We can mend I will always love you both forever my very best friends.
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Thank you so much H6.
Tears in my eyes...very beautiful words like i said before.
Lifes not defined by the last breaths you take....but by the moments that take your breath away!!
Heart of an angel has Mr F.......no matter what they say!! xxxsteeleyma