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I feel there is a fine line between crime fact and crime fiction and the thin line runs down the cheeks of yer A**E!


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Originally posted by Admin2:

"I feel there is a fine line between crime fact and crime fiction and the thin line runs down the cheeks of yer A**E!"

 

Regarding your previous post Admin2, I think the following is quite relevant:

 

Ah feel a wee bit wawbit....

Ma Duke O'Argyll's ue gein me gyp n' ma holes rid raw

 

P.S. For the benefit of our members South of the Border, here is the English translation:

 

I feel slightly unwell...

My haemorrhoids are causing me a great deal of discomfort and my anus is inflamed.

 

The Moderator feels that this has got something to do with Jack The Lads buttocks being kicked out of The Executive.


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I am sure that there will be more than one arse kicking exercise after tonight's insight on the BBC over the fingerprint that never was.


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Or to be more exact the finger prints that were halved in two......cropped! How shocking is that?

 

Sad to say but Mrs McKie's Lawyer definitely cannot claim membership to the Wide-Awake Club............A lawyer worth his or her salt would surely have asked that FULL finger print images were only allowed as evidence NOT those so obviously cropped 1/4 thumb print jobs the prosecution put forward. Bilko


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Hi Bilko... thanks for your post.   No surprise at the outcome of the parliamentary vote within the Executive with regards to a public enquiry.

 

You will note from previous posts from both myself and Admin2 that this scenario would actually happen.  The voting system within the Executive itself was not a vote for an independent enquiry (as such) - this was a vote that was carried out for party lines (Labour).  However, Gary Dempster from the very same SCRO gave it a damning report as did the American fingerprint expert of not producing the full print that even some jury members would have noted the dissimilarities, and they are no experts in the art of fingerprinting.

 

The Eminent Mike Mansfield QC has thrown his weight behind this call for an independent enquiry for the benefit of the judiciary in the UK as a whole.

 

Now we have 'cases' in America that know that fingerprint experts from the FBI were closely attached and still are, closely attached to the SCRO, and defendants facing trial based on fingerprint evidence in the USA are now quoting the Shirley McKie case as an example, which allows other independent experts to challenge other independent experts, in a non guaranteed scientific field that is now open to a matter of opinion, conjecture and innuendo, when it should contain whether the print taken from any scene is that of the individual or is not.

 

Although the Executive have blocked this enquiry, the only managed to pull it off because of party lines, however, the Parliamentary committee is set up to investigate decisions made within the Executive.  They have narrowly escaped this time, but the Davis Asbury case which is still to be held in open court will no doubt have a full public gallery. Some would consider this a LUCKY ESCAPE.

 

The last and final point, is the real victims of this political farce is the Ross family themselves.


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Now we have 'cases' in America that know that fingerprint experts from the FBI were closely attached and still are, closely attached to the SCRO, and defendants facing trial based on fingerprint evidence in the USA are now quoting the Shirley McKie case as an example, which allows other independent experts to challenge other independent experts, in a non guaranteed scientific field that is now open to a matter of opinion, conjecture and innuendo, when it should contain whether the print taken from any scene is that of the individual or is not.

 

Regarding the paragraph above admin. I do not think that the fingerprint experts themselves are saying that because of the shenanigans in the Shirley McKie case surrounding the print that they can call into question the opinions of other experts per say. As ALL the experts apart from these four SCRO incompetent's agree the print was not McKie's.

 

Finger print experts and indeed defence and prosecution teams still have confidence in fingerprinting as a viable and proper means of identification, the doubts and problems arise from the way the evidence can be mis-represented deliberately to juries as was the case in the McKie case.

 

The possibility now becomes real that a great number of convictions could have been secured based on the mis-representing or complete fabrication of fingerprint evidence by CORRUPT unscrupulous police Dept's. and prosecution teams. It's inconceivable for Bilko to believe that the prosecution team in the McKie and Asbury cases with their years of prosecution experience and countless hours spent discussing and looking at fingerprint images in court did not recognise that these images were 'doctored'. And yet not one had the integrity about them to step forward and be heard.

 

STINK!

 

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yes correct bilko,you have hit the nail in the coffin m8,great post

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Hi Bilko & Frankie... thanks for your posts with regards to the four discredited fingerprint experts.  They have opened up a can of worms (globally), and especially in the USA, where they are now making reference to the Shirley McKie affair, and getting second opinions on first opinions and then bringing in other experts for third opinions etc.

 

The SCRO in its entirety has become a laughing stock because of the 'fingerprint four'.  However, Gary Dempster who works within the SCRO gave his opinion based on professional qualifications that the shaded areas of the fingerprint presented to the jury should not have taken place, as the jury in the McKie case should have been presented with the whole fingerprint and even they may have noticed the dissimilarities of the ridges i.e. fingerprint found at crime scene in shaded area not shown to the jury veers to the left, whilst Shirley McKie's fingerprint veers to the right.

 

Clearly this is not her fingerprint, so who's is its?


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hi admin,well said,they will know whos fingerprint it is,it is just that they are trying to cover it up and they have not got the balls to admit it,shame on them,

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Hi Frankie... thanks for your post.  I said exactly the same thing myself - THEY KNOW who's fingerprint that was, but will NEVER admit it.  For the simple reason(s) that it will PROVE that the print belongs to the REAL murderer, and that Shirley McKie was never a 'suspect' to begin with, or, that the fingerprint was perhaps, 'strategically' placed there by someone from a 'higher' body, shall we say...


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With the technology available at the disposal of REAL experts will enable them to answer this enigma if indeed whoever left the print is on the police database.


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Hi Moderator... if indeed the person who left 'that' fingerprint is on the police database, and Admin is certain that it will be lurking about somewhere within their system (database or otherwise), will the REAL experts ever get the opportunity to uncover the mystery and identify the real culprit?  Or will they too be silenced?  As that seems to be the order of the day...


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Bilko's opinion is they already KNOW who the print belongs to............which is why it's been COVERED-UP in the first place. Bilko


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Is that why the print was shaded and presented to a jury?mmmmmm the PLOT THICKENS as they say!


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Maybe it belonged to Detective Super Heath the chief investigating officer......?? Bilko


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